Amorphous - Julian Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) We want our titleblock to list all the drawings which we want to issue. So we have to tick the option 'This Titleblock is Active' This is a 30-second process, PER DRAWING! See enclosed video. 10 drawings is 300 seconds, or 5 minutes. 100 drawings is close to one hour. Please improve. This Titleblock Active.mov Edited October 16, 2019 by Amorphous - Julian Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Nikolay Zhelyazkov Posted October 17, 2019 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted October 17, 2019 Hello @Amorphous - Julian, I tried following your steps from the video and was not able to reproduce the crash. Do you happen to have a crash log from it? Best Regards, Nikolay Zhelyazkov Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Hi @Nikolay Zhelyazkov, would you be able to tell me where to find the crash logs? Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Nikolay Zhelyazkov Posted October 18, 2019 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted October 18, 2019 They should be in your VW user folder in the 2020 folder. You could find this from Vectorworks Preferences->User Folders->Reveal in finder. Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Sent to you via DM. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hi @Nikolay Zhelyazkov (1) FOLLOWING UP ON TITLEBLOCK IMPROVEMENTS Following our conversation back in October 2019, I want to check-in to see what has been implemented to speed up the performance of Titleblock? Our conversation at that time revolved around multi-threading the processes related to titleblock. At that time, you pointed out if titleblocks needs to be sequentially numbered (1 of 20, 2 of 20), then mulit-threading woudln't work. We later established this was the only sequential operation of the titleblock, and if the choice was to trade speed and performance for it, it is better to forego this sequential numbering. Do you have any updates to share with us on improving Titleblock performance? (2) BIG ISSUE WITH TITLEBLOCK IN PROJECT SHARING I would like to take this opportunity to point out a significant issue when using titleblock in 'Project Sharing'. If a user (User 1) wants to make changes to any Titleblock, while any other Titleblock is checked out by another user (User 2). An error message prompt appears for 'User 1' to cancel the operation. Upon 'Cancel', Vectorworks will try to 'undo' the steps 'User 1' has made to Titleblock. We get the spinning beachball. This process will last for AT LEAST 10 minutes. Sometimes it doesn't end and we have to force quit. See below video for partial video. Tileblock with Permission issue.mp4 Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Nikolay Zhelyazkov Posted February 19, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hello @Amorphous - Julian, 37 minutes ago, Amorphous - Julian said: (1) FOLLOWING UP ON TITLEBLOCK IMPROVEMENTS - I can only tell you that there are no planned improvements on the TBB for VW2020 or any of its coming service packs. I will try to analyze this as soon as the time allows and will let you know of the results. 40 minutes ago, Amorphous - Julian said: (2) BIG ISSUE WITH TITLEBLOCK IN PROJECT SHARING - If you are not changing anything affecting all TBBs, such as Document Options or Project Data or adding/deleting fields of Sheet Data, you should not be required to check out more than the edited TBB. Could you tell me the exact steps you are doing? Keep in mind that the TBManager is for multi TBB changes and is always requiring all TBBs in the file to be checked out. Best Regards, Nikolay Zhelyazkov Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Nikolay Zhelyazkov said: Could you tell me the exact steps you are doing? It just happened to me again now. The exact steps was: I attempted to re-ordering layer stacking order in the Navigation Panel, and I had an error message stating that this will affect titleblock objects which is checked out to someone else. So I have to 'cancel' the operation. Upon 'cancel', Vectorworks has gone into spinning beach ball. It seems as though NO MATTER WHAT THE STEPS ARE, if I 'Cancel' an operation that has anything to do with titleblocks, Vectorworks will give the spinning-beach-ball for 10 minutes or more. Just to be clear. Any action that requires 'Cancel' operation to affecting Titleblock Object will make me wait for at least 10 minutes of spinning beach ball. Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Nikolay Zhelyazkov Posted February 19, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hello @Amorphous - Julian, Changing the stacking order of the layers changes the Page Number of the Sheet Data, which is requiring all of the TBBs to be checked out. As a workaround for now, you could try working with TBBs that have This Title Block is Active not checked, which should speed up most of the operations but also disable the auto TBB data syncing. Best Regards, Nikolay Zhelyazkov Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 HI @Nikolay Zhelyazkov I have 300 sheets in my file. What is a quick way to uncheck all 'this titleblock is active' box in all 300 sheets? Today, a team member placed a titleblock on a new sheet, and that took 30 minutes. YES, 30 minutes to just place a titleblock onto a sheet. Quote Link to comment
0 Boh Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 You could try this worksheet. Summarise the "This Title Block is Active" column and toggle summarised data to "False" With 300 sheets that is asking a lot so suggest save before trying this... Title Block House Keeping Worksheet.vwx 2 Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 Thanks a lot @Boh Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 With @Boh's worksheet above (thanks boh!) we were able to turn off 'This Titleblock is Active' very quickly But @Nikolay Zhelyazkov we are still not getting speed improvements. If Vectorworks is only designed for projects with 50 or less pages of drawings , then please let me know because this would definitely NOT be the software my company should grow with. If Vectorworks is intended for any scale of projects, with the ability to handle hundreds of pages of drawing, then @Nikolay Zhelyazkov please improve your Titleblock PIO so it can handle that amount of Titleblock data efficiently. This needs to happen quite soon for us (we have lots of drawings) On 2/19/2020 at 3:52 PM, Nikolay Zhelyazkov said: there are no planned improvements on the TBB for VW2020 or any of its coming service packs. So, unfortunately I need a better answer than this. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Nikolay Zhelyazkov Posted March 18, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 18, 2020 Hello @Amorphous - Julian, Thank you for your feedback again! I have thought about your issues and here are my suggestions that I want you to consider and let me know if you are ok with them: 1) Add This Title Block is Active in the TBB Preferences dialog. This will allow you to create inactive TBBs if you want to, which will create immediately, without any waiting time. 2) Add This Title Block is Active in the TBManager dialog. Having it there will allow you to modify this state from one place for multiple TBBs simultaneously. The idea here is to make the TBManager the best place for making bulk changes to TBBs and apply them at once. 3) Improve the way TBManager handles and applies changes, so that it becomes faster. That way, for example, clicking on Cancel should take a few seconds, not more than 5-10. Clicking on OK will still take some more time, if there are general changes that affect record definitions or document options, but this time should be less than before I hope. Let me know if you agree with these suggestions and I will keep you informed with what I can. Best Regards, Nikolay Zhelyazkov 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, Nikolay Zhelyazkov said: 1) Add This Title Block is Active in the TBB Preferences dialog. This will allow you to create inactive TBBs if you want to, which will create immediately, without any waiting time. Love this 54 minutes ago, Nikolay Zhelyazkov said: 2) Add This Title Block is Active in the TBManager dialog. Having it there will allow you to modify this state from one place for multiple TBBs simultaneously. The idea here is to make the TBManager the best place for making bulk changes to TBBs and apply them at once. Love this 55 minutes ago, Nikolay Zhelyazkov said: 3) Improve the way TBManager handles and applies changes, so that it becomes faster. That way, for example, clicking on Cancel should take a few seconds, not more than 5-10. Clicking on OK will still take some more time, if there are general changes that affect record definitions or document options, but this time should be less than before I hope. Yes please! Love it! If you can implement all of the above, @Nikolay Zhelyazkov, it would be much appreciated. Do you think these can come through in 2020SP4? In the long run though, if you can think of multi-threading the process to make it even more efficient, it would be best. Thanks for your prompt response. Regards, Julian Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Nikolay Zhelyazkov Posted March 18, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Amorphous - Julian said: Do you think these can come through in 2020SP4? - I am afraid that these changes are not going to be easy to implement and it will not be possible to get them to VW2020. Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 @Nikolay Zhelyazkov thanks for being frank with this. I do hope to see these changes in version 2021 then. Thanks again. 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Nikolay Zhelyazkov if possible, can you also make the Titleblock Manager PIO to check for permission conflicts (Project Share) before any operations, instead of at the very end of operations. Because of the slowness of the operations, we often will do the step-by-step process of adding 'issues', which takes up to 15 minutes. If, only at the very end after clicking 'ok', that the PIO checks for permission, then we would have wasted 15 minute. This happens to us quite often. And it happened again tonight. Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Nikolay Zhelyazkov Posted March 20, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted March 20, 2020 Hello @Amorphous - Julian, I will see if that is possible. Best Regards, Nikolay Zhelyazkov Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Nikolay Zhelyazkov Posted September 17, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted September 17, 2020 Hello @Amorphous - Julian, The changes suggested in this thread are implemented in VW2021. You can check them out there. 🙂 Best Regards, Nikolay Zhelyazkov Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Love you bro. The best! ❤️ Quote Link to comment
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We want our titleblock to list all the drawings which we want to issue.
So we have to tick the option 'This Titleblock is Active'
This is a 30-second process, PER DRAWING! See enclosed video.
10 drawings is 300 seconds, or 5 minutes.
100 drawings is close to one hour.
Please improve.
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