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This just started… second time in an hour, after a restart. The file is not that large, 115 mB or so. Not that complex either.

I did just update to SP5.

155 GB open space on internal SSD

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I've got this "memory leak" problem too.

I'm on a 2017 iMac with 8GB ram, 8GB graphics, and Mojave.

Working in Design Layers is OK, but annotating in or drawings on Sheet Layers, I get badly stuck.

Simple, frequent things are much too slow - particularly moving or editing text, and updating viewports.

These are things I have to do a lot of, so the wait times really add up.

I can no longer reliably estimate how long it will take me to get a drawing ready for presentation.

It seems to be worse if anything after the Service Pack 2.1

I also find that having VW open for hours slows things down.

 

In general, I'd much rather VW new releases came out less often (every two years?) and were more thoroughly tested and stable.

I'd like fewer, better designed new features.

And the dysfunctional bits of "old" features to be fixed.

 

I also find it really annoying when my "old" files (last year's, for example) have a whole lot of things that need fixing when I open them in a new release.

I don't want the appearance of my drawings changing without my permission.

I don't want to have to go hunting for the new button to click deep in the settings for every single window in a file to get my sill lines to reappear.

Are we supposed to redraw every file from scratch to optimise it for every new release? Seriously!

 

I'm losing too much time working on software workarounds instead of getting actual architecture done.

It's getting to the point where I'm thinking of jumping ship to something more reliable - is ArchiCAD?

Or is a real fix coming soon?

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It's not just the memory leak problem, which you are quite correct is still here.  It is the host of other issues which Vectorworks has basically ignored the users over the years with the continual 'bodges' and 'workarounds' for functions that are basic necessities in architectural design.

 

Items like doors, windows, stairs, handrails, walls, roofs, floor slabs, schedules, elevations and sections should simply just work.  I am sick and tired of being told that when a part of vectorworks does not do the job properly that there isn't a bug, it is working as designed.  What this means to me is that when there is a feature, it should work properly for real world situations and not just in a lab.  Yes, all the new features are great, but we need a tool that works properly, that means continually reviewing the legacy items and fixing the problems that have been documented many times over the years.

 

Typical examples of where the system is just wrong:

  • If you have a door in an external wall with a side screen and have the external wall components activated haver a look at what happens when you try and elevate it or look at it in 3D - doesn't work never has done
  • Setting out of components - Who in their right minds sets out from the centre of an object - you choose a point for setting out and anchor it.  Doors and windows - come on guys, If you want to put a door in a wall, you choose the position of the door to suit your construction - outside face of wall / inside face of outer leaf etc. - you NEVER EVER set to 'centre of wall' Ths means you require to 'offset' the position - this is trial and error based on thickness of the wall and where you want the item placed. God forbid you change a component in the wall that changes the overall thickness and as a result every single component which you have painstakingly placed correctly will require to be reset.  If you use styled components and update that way, it wipes all the other data from the components (like scheduling), so don't try.

 

Our drawings do not just contain presentation information, we are now meant to be able to interrogate a model and extract quality data from it.  Continually having to do 'workarounds' means that we are always having to 'cheat' to get the data out - not very forward thinking is it.

 

I have also considered ArchiCAD - it is a very good piece of kit, but the physical cost to change my practice over, means it is prohibitive - Vectorworks knows this. There will come a point however, if VW doesn't provide me with a competent piece of software, I will have to bite the bullet and just change to another (might even change to REVIT).

 

Sorry for rant - but getting frustrated again with VW. Just downloaded 2020 SP2.2 and had to uninstall and reinstall the entire program and the upgrade install failed yet again.

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Agreed that real world (or user experience) is not always very well designed for.

Good to know ArchiCAD is an option, I've not used it yet.

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I am at a point where we could not rely on VW2020 anymore and have downgraded all files back to VW2019 and using that instead as that is at the least, is stable on macOS Catalina. It really is a joke to some degree when you pay a lot of money for annual subscriptions and you can't actually make the use of the facility as it will hang or have this memory leak problem. 

 

So disappointed. 

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Good to hear that 2019 and Catalina are compatible.

I've been too scared to lose time troubleshooting to give Catalina a go.

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I have been on VW2019 (with the latest updates) and it is working fine on Catalina. Not a single issue - which is a blessing none the less. Had that not worked for us, I would have had to bite the bullet and go with Archicad as I know it works fine and has no issues. Only couple of major things have stopped us from doing that - already invested time and money for the system and for our projects and the actual cost of Archicad compared to VW.... 

However, don't get me wrong - VW has fair few advantages also and hence we are trying to work this out! Heres to hope that they will issue a fix shortly for all so that we can enjoy 2020! 

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Fingers crossed!

If you have some time to enumerate, what are the advantages of VW over ArchiCAD?

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in my opinion they are pretty much similar but I would say VW has easier or more various options when it comes to 2D artistic expressions/presentations and ease of doing line drawings if thats show one would woks... 

but when it comes to BIM integration, you can't really beat Archicad... and personally, I have used Archicad and VW equally over the past 15 years or so (but with VW of recent times) and would have wanted to go down the path of Archicad but was down to cost of owning and running your own studio with teams! they do add up at the end! 

 

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