No Stories, No Problem

[Zeno 286]

To be honest, I wouldn't know how I'd do it without stories to model this. 1 buildings, 3 towers 18 stories, every story 3 design layer. 54 layers generated automaticallly so...

 

thanks stories and.. learn stories

 

 

[Wes Gardner 340]

@Zeno, great looking model!

 

[Wes Gardner 340]

@Zeno, I don't know if you'd be able to due to client confidentiality, but if you could post your set-up file so others could see, it might encourage folks to try.

 

Maybe strip out all the geometry, sheet layers, etc and just leave the story set-up?

 

Wes

[Zeno 286]

1 hour ago, Wes Gardner said:

@Zeno, great looking model!

 

oh thanks Wes, later i’ll post the set up file

[Zeno 286]

On 10/11/2019 at 2:13 PM, Wes Gardner said:

@Zeno, I don't know if you'd be able to due to client confidentiality, but if you could post your set-up file so others could see, it might encourage folks to try.

 

Maybe strip out all the geometry, sheet layers, etc and just leave the story set-up?

 

Wes

 

Here you are

 

ISSUE: before creating stories, I'm used to sketch a schema, like the attached one. Maybe it can not correspond with the file, but it is very useful before start. It's easy and quickly, then you can have more control.

 

 

Stories.vwx

Edited October 14, 2019 by Zeno

[_c_ 998]

Ciao Zeno, do you use a common Z for all buildings or every building has its own project zero?

Accordingly, how do you set up the Reference Elevation in the Export IFC Project settings?

 

 

[Zeno 286]

Why must I write in English with an Italian user -_-

 

So, I'm used to set the global 0 in a specific point on site. From there I start to set the project. For IFC Export I didn't change any parameters on reference elevation.

 

 

[_c_ 998]

Thank you Zeno, 😀

 

... I just have been reproached that I speak a total mix between German and English!

I think that we will do a common zero for the project. We must use the coordinates during IFC export, so, let's go for "common zero".

[Zeno 286]

On 10/15/2019 at 8:12 PM, _c_ said:

Thank you Zeno, 😀

 

... I just have been reproached that I speak a total mix between German and English!

I think that we will do a common zero for the project. We must use the coordinates during IFC export, so, let's go for "common zero".

Wenn du möchtest, possiamo parlare a mix of the three launguages, für nächste Mal. 

[jcsanabria 0]

Hi all! @Wes Gardner, is there any possibility of having the files first published with this thread. They aren't available any more. I've been using Vectorworks for more than 20 years, but I'm new to stories. I was interested in checking these files as the ones in the "Model Set Up (Revisited for 2019)" thread, which aren't available also. Thanks!Hi all! @Wes Gardner, is there any possibility of having the files first published with this thread. They aren't available any more. I've been using Vectorworks for more than 20 years, but I'm new to stories. I was interested in checking these files as the ones in the "Model Set Up (Revisited for 2019)" thread, which aren't available also. Thanks!

[gester 16]

On 10/15/2019 at 6:37 AM, _c_ said:

Ciao Zeno, do you use a common Z for all buildings or every building has its own project zero?

Accordingly, how do you set up the Reference Elevation in the Export IFC Project settings?

 

 

 

do you export one building or all of them in one ifc file?

 

it's not possible to have many 'zero' levels in one vw file, the zeno's approach is the right one.

you can but reference all edifices as separate design layers in a file with the whole plot setup (eg. all buildings are in 1:50 scale, and are referenced in the 1:500 raumordnungsplan)...

rob 

 

[E|FA 248]

@Wes Gardner This post & your attached files might be the best resources VW has available to explain project setup & sheet layers.  PLEASE can we get updated versions showing best practices for using the 2021 material resources and generating & annotating SLVPs?  Adding coordination between DTM & building model (through references?) would be a bonus.

 

This could be as a post here, VW University, a webinar, etc...

 

Thanks

[Christiaan 1,005]

On 7/2/2020 at 9:06 AM, gester said:

do you export one building or all of them in one ifc file?

 

Curious to know this too. The AEC UK BIM protocol says no more than one building to be modelled in a single file, with a separate container model to bring them together. (Then again it also recommends one Sheet per file for data tracking purposes!) Whether you export all buildings to one file or not depends on the requirements of the people you're sending it to I guess.

[The Anorak 9]

Hi All, I have a question to weigh into the stories debate. Do you use separate plot files or have all of your sheets/documentation coming out of the model file? I've come up with issues a few times where the stories change throughout the design process and the individual plot files start to have errors because the stories are no longer identical. Even if we then manually fix the changes sometimes these errors still persist. Has anyone had experience with this? For me, it seems super counter-intuitive that you shouldn't be able to have the stories referenced into a plot file and updated with the model every time they change. 

[gester 16]

1 hour ago, Christiaan said:

..The AEC UK BIM protocol says no more than one building to be modelled in a single file, with a separate container model to bring them together...

 

such container would be a separately required (by polish law) site development plan (which is in a 1:500, or sometimes 1:1000 scale). this plan is in world coordinates (required by the authorities of the infrastructure planning), and with true north orientation, as opposed to the edifice models that are in 1:50 or 1:100. 

 

the edifice models are referenced in the site model, and all changes in storeys are handled separately for each building. i use such a workflow for years, but i will listen to other options.

rob

[Ramon PG 1]

On 5/28/2019 at 1:58 PM, Wes Gardner said:

Hi All,

 

Several folks have asked about model set-up and how to get started when moving from 2D to 3D and on into a BIM workflow.  Here are some instructions describing how to set up a blank file and create layers, walls, etc. without the need for stories.  There are two example/practice files that I highly recommend you "reverse engineer" the wall styles, slab styles, etc. so that you can see how the offsets work, etc.  Also, read the instructions all the way through first.

 

Oh, by the way, PLEASE let me know if there's a mistake or if something isn't clear.  The Vectorworks files are in 2019...I can certainly back save them if you need.

 

You may want to compare this set-up scenario to the one(s) described in the thread "Model Set-Up" where the set-up, which I call a "Level-Bound" set-up REQUIRES the use of stories.

 

I've included some minor editing for 2021, mainly a mention of Materials that really doesn't affect the workflow at all.

 

Enjoy

 

Wes

 

 

 

 

 

 

Layer Bound Simple.vwx

Layer Bound Special Slab.vwx

Layer Bounding.docx 872.03 kB · 44 downloads

Thanks for this. Stories admittedly is very powerful, yet not intuitive to implement bc of so many factors and items that inter relate but are not well explained in the Help or Tutorials.