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After 22 years of using Apple's mouse I've finally decided I need a middle mouse button (to operate the now free Twinmotion).

 

What do you recommend? Is it worth it to plonk a £100 down on a 3Dconnexion Cadmouse? Are they actually that good. Or should I just get something for a tenner?

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You get my utmost respect for actually using the Apple Mouse to do cad!  I use a Logitech G400 Gaming Mouse which has 8 programmable buttons. But I 'm pretty sure Logitech has discontinued this model (although you can still get in on Amazon).

 

I'm slightly old school and prefer something wired to wireless.  I program the buttons to select, move, delete, pan, scroll, right click, left click, and enter into a 3d view.  It's always hard to find OSX compatible Mice.

 

I haven't spent a ton of time with the 3D Connexion Cadmouse, but I think I used it once during VW training.    

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CADMouse is my favorite but quite expensive.

Currently I work with an old MS Intellimouse Explorer for 2 weeks but

still can't get used to having no extra MMB button.

It is quite ok though and I found the old driver on Windows to assign

my extra buttons.

Gaming Mice like my MadCatz 5 with large Scroll Wheel was very ok

for panning and orbiting but button assignment in driver was bad and

did not work separately for each App.

 

So beside ergonomics also watch for good extended driver assignments,

like 3DConnexion, Microsoft, Wacom or Logitech have.

 

But I could not work at all with a standard Logitec - with its multi Scroll Wheel

as MMB option.

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I use the g600 mouse from Logitech it has 20 buttons . works great also it has g-shift which is good . take a look into it 

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Hmm.  20 Buttons.  That sounds cool.  How do you keep them all in your head?

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My brain cells are dead now .😂 No just start by changing a couple once you memorize those keep adding . well I did not follow that rule but no I am lol its like 38 buttons thou  with the g-shift. 

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I got the 3dconnexion CAD Mouse with cable. I'm very happy with it. I used to work with Logitech mice before, which i also liked. But for CAD I clearly prefer the 3dconnexion mouse. For high screen resolutions or multiple screens, you need a high resolution mouse. That's where the 3dconnexion with its 8200dpi/1000Hz performance comes in. This is not possible wirelessly, but fortunately batteries/empty rechargeable batteries are omitted. I like the mouse to react very fast, so I don't have to move my hand that far. The high dpi helps that I can still work very accurately. The middle mouse button next to the mouse wheel is really comfortable. I don't like to push on a mouse wheel even if they are as good as the ones in Logitech mice. The mouse is rather large and not suitable for small hands. At 3dconnexion you have the possibility to test the devices and return them if you don't like it.

What's great about 3dconnexion products are the awesome drivers. There is a special freely assignable radial menu. If desired, whole input sequences can be put as macros on mouse buttons. And all settings can easily be configured for each software individually if desired.

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If you choose the 3dconnexion mouse, I would definitely also buy the mouse pad that comes with it. This gives the mouse almost zero static friction. Something you only realize when it's gone. It makes working much more comfortable because less force is applied to the wrist. It also makes working more accurate.

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4 hours ago, herbieherb said:

That's where the 3dconnexion with its 8200dpi/1000Hz performance comes in.

 

The wireless is 7200dpi. Is that really a significant difference?

 

Edit: ahh, I've just noticed that's "via USB connection"

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5 hours ago, herbieherb said:

The mouse is rather large and not suitable for small hands.

 

128 mm long! That ginormous! 😃

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Right, I've purchased both the wired and wireless to try out the size. Their website is woeful. I couldn't even buy the pad if I wanted to because it kept putting the compact one in even if I clicked on the larger one.

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21 minutes ago, Christiaan said:

 

128 mm long! That ginormous! 😃

 

 

For me it feels a little bit to small.

I really liked the old Logitech Mouse Man Wheel in the 90ies 🙂

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Both CadMouse and CadMouse Wireless arrived. First impression of CadMouse is how high is rather than its general size. Also feels quite light.

 

One thing I don't like for the moment is the mouse wheel clicking when you when you turn it. What's the idea behind this? Zoom and scroll with the magic mouse is so much smoother. The CadMouse Wireless seems to have a smoother wheel than than the CadMouse too.

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Most mouse wheels have some sort of click to them.  The magic mouse is a bit of an outlier with the smooth ball feel. 

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For those who want CADMouse

wireless but large,

they teaser-ed that there may come a full size wireless version soon.

 

1 hour ago, Christiaan said:

mouse wheel clicking when you when you turn it

 

I think that is just because of Windows legacy.

No one can scroll as smooth as Apple.

If there is an option to physically disable click steps for scroll wheel,

like my cheap logitech, it still feels wrong as it does not scroll smooth

but still scrolls in "rows".

CADMouse driver has something like an auto scroll option, which sends

you directly to the top or bottom of the page if you scroll fast, which makes it

a bit better.

 

But even as a middle click, CADMouse scroll wheel is one of the better

scroll wheels. And more important, you can deactivate scroll wheel click in

driver.

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, cberg said:

Most mouse wheels have some sort of click to them.  The magic mouse is a bit of an outlier with the smooth ball feel. 

 

Right, but it's not just the smooth feel. It translates to the screen as well. Zooming and scrolling with the CadMouse is distractingly jumpy.

 

Not only that but the CadMouse scroll wheel is more jerky than the CadMouse Wireless, which makes you then wonder how much thought they've actually put into how the scroll wheel feels.

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19 hours ago, zoomer said:

No one can scroll as smooth as Apple.

 

I've clearly taken this for granted having used the Magic Mouse for so long.

 

19 hours ago, zoomer said:

If there is an option to physically disable click steps for scroll wheel,

like my cheap logitech, it still feels wrong as it does not scroll smooth

but still scrolls in "rows".

 

What I've found in the driver preferences is a thing call Smart Scrolling, which apparently adjusts to suit whatever application you're using. "Precise click" for CAD, "soft scrolling" for web and documents. I have it enabled but it obviously doesn't reduce the mechanical click of the wheel (perhaps this will dampen over time) and while it does add speed scrolling and inertia it really has nothing on the feel of a Magic Mouse.

 

19 hours ago, zoomer said:

CADMouse driver has something like an auto scroll option, which sends

you directly to the top or bottom of the page if you scroll fast, which makes it

a bit better.

 

Yes, found that, nothing like one fast sweep of the finger on a Magic Mouse though.

 

Not a dealbreaker. Just going to miss the Magic Mouse scroll.

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31 minutes ago, Christiaan said:

 

Right, but it's not just the smooth feel. It translates to the screen as well. Zooming and scrolling with the CadMouse is distractingly jumpy.

 

Not only that but the CadMouse scroll wheel is more jerky than the CadMouse Wireless, which makes you then wonder how much thought they've actually put into how the scroll wheel feels.

You'll get used to it.  Love my CadMouse.  We got the smaller wireless model with a mouse pad.

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I wasn't annoyed by my CADMouse wheel so far.

I think it feels much better than the plastic feeling of my MS Intellimouse

wheel click that I currently use.

Scrolling "rows" seems to still be Windows Standard. Although I think

there are some MS Mice that use some touchy scrolling instead of wheels

and there are Touch Pads on notebooks for quite a while.

And 3DConnection are Windows guys. I wonder that there is a Mac Driver at all.

It lags behind and doesn't get much love but for driver settings, I prefer it over

Windows driver.

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2 minutes ago, Markvl said:

You'll get used to it.  Love my CadMouse.

 

Yes, no doubt. I haven't seen what it can do in Vectorworks yes.

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3 minutes ago, Christiaan said:

doesn't reduce the mechanical click of the wheel

 

No, there is no physical switch to disable it.

I use smart scrolling for browsing and Finder and am very happy with it.

Can be problematic or good, in some 3D Apps, like when scrolling in Layer Lists

or View zooming in a large laggy file.

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7 minutes ago, zoomer said:

Scrolling "rows" seems to still be Windows Standard.

 

What is scrolling "rows"?

 

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And 3DConnection are Windows guys. I wonder that there is a Mac Driver at all.

It lags behind and doesn't get much love but for driver settings, I prefer it over

Windows driver.

 

Yes, that comes across a bit.

 

The other thing I'm noticing is the noise, lol. Magic Mouse is quiet as a mouse!

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I meant that in Windows you can set the scroll wheel speed only

by setting how many text rows it will jump with each wheel click.

(I think the default is 3 or 4 rows)

Apple has a Slider.

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Wow, it's really f'ing noisy, haha

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