Hugo Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Hello. It seems that Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger is almost out, and I'm interested in upgrading my Mac. I want to know if VectorWorks has been tested with 10.4, and if there are any issues with the upgrade. I don't want to backup, install and find that VW doesn't run. I understand that Quicktime will be upgraded to version 7, and VW relies on Quicktime heavily, or am I wrong? Thank you. [ 03-30-2005, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Hugo ] Quote Link to comment
LarryAZ Posted March 30, 2005 Share Posted March 30, 2005 Big difference is 10.4 will unleash the 64 bit power of the G5. Should be a real boost in performance and finally make having G5 worth while. You're a real clown... Quote Link to comment
Hugo Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 Larry, Will VectorWorks take advantage of that 64 bits, being a 32 bit application? Quote Link to comment
APE Design Ctr Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I believe the application needs to be written for 64 bit in order to take true full advantage, however Apple indicates that even 32 bit programs will benefit having the operating system working in synergy with the processors. Now there are supposed to be some huge improvements with the graphics engine and OpenGL of OS 10.4 as many have complained (including myself) about the speed of selecing multiple objects/polygons. I have an old PC that selects polygons faster than my Dual G5! Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Here is a little bit of information to help bolster your confidence in the future speed of Apple in open gl. http://lists.apple.com/archives/mac-opengl/2005/Mar/msg00199.html Hopefully the results of this appointment will come to the marketplace as qiuckily as possible for all you Mac users. May even start saving for a G5 myself. Alan Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 So, does anyone know how VW runs on Tiger, okay? See also: Compatibility Mixed Bag for Apple's Tiger http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/news/42417.html [ 04-21-2005, 10:26 AM: Message edited by: Christiaan ] Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Yes Christiaan some form of statement or indication from NNA would be good especially as many other companies have put comments forward. Maybe after the problems some experienced with the 11.5 they are being cautious. On the other hand the lack of statement could be viewed that they don't bring the speed results etc. hinted at in other threads. After all as its well on its way NNA will have either the latest build or pretty close to it to know. Here's hoping it provides the speed boost you Mac users are looking for to bring it up to Windows users speeds. I'd like to know that when it comes to hardware and software upgrade time I can consider both options. At the moment, despite using both in the past I'm on Windows at the moment and won't consider changing until I know its on an equal footing. Good news soon I hope. Alan [ 04-21-2005, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: alanmac ] Quote Link to comment
wv_vectorworker Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 and anyone who has access to Tiger is under a non-disclosure agreement until April 29th. and you should all be aware of Apple's efforts to enforce that agreement. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I can't see any reason why VW would be faster under Tiger; there's been no hint from NNA that they've been working on any optimisation in this regard (that I know of). I would be surprised if there were compatibility issues though. P.S. is there a speed difference between the Windows and Mac versions of VW? My experience has been positively zippy. [ 04-21-2005, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Christiaan ] Quote Link to comment
Kevin Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 quote: Originally posted by Christiaan: ...there's been no hint from NNA that they've been working on any optimisation in this regard... NNA's policy is to not comment on future releases. Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 quote: Originally posted by Christiaan: The non-disclosure agreement doesn't stop anyone from commenting on the compatibility of other software on Tiger does it? Or the magazines hitting the newstands listing and featuring all the new bits and changes !! A "it works very well" or "our product shows to be fully compatable with Apples release of Tiger" is hardly a breaking of disclosure agreements is it. Also this is not a comment on a future release of VW as Kevin states, VW11.5 is here and now. Its the OS that's different not Vectorworks. The brave ones who load it day one will let us know in the forum no doubt, only seven days to go then. [ 04-22-2005, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: alanmac ] Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 The non-disclosure agreement doesn't stop anyone from commenting on the compatibility of other software on Tiger does it? Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 In 1990 with the debut of the PPC RISC processor Apple provide both the 68000&PPC6100 chips on the motherboard to avoid compatibility issues. Ever since that 'bold' transition Apple has placed maximum emphasis on backwards compatibilities within the OS ( Fat binary apps ). For example VW11.5 still uses many of the 'legacy' API ( as indicated by the 'old watch' icon and and not the OSX spinning PinWheel). There's no doubt in my mind that Tiger will provide 'major' benefits for both the G5 processors and 64bit aware apps. Typically the vast majority of VW Users will remain un-affected until NNA recodes the entire app. to the required API & compiler standards, and this will depend on Longhorn development. Until that time arrives OSX will continue to run multiple API's simultaneously with virtually no requirements for user participation in the process. Quote Link to comment
LarryAZ Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I would guess that NNA will follow the 90/10 rule. They could code the most cpu intensive operations to take advantage of 64 bit, changing a small percentage of VW code and get some major improvements in overall speed. These are improvements that will make us G4 users lust for G5's. You can also count on many of the system operations to take much less time on the G5's using 64 bit processing. The hardware always out runs the software by a year or so. Quote Link to comment
wv_vectorworker Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 quote: Originally posted by islandmon: In 1990 with the debut of the PPC RISC processor Apple provide both the 68000&PPC6100 chips on the motherboard to avoid compatibility issues. Ever since that 'bold' transition Apple has placed maximum emphasis on backwards compatibilities within the OS ( Fat binary apps ). For example VW11.5 still uses many of the 'legacy' API ( as indicated by the 'old watch' icon and and not the OSX spinning PinWheel). There's no doubt in my mind that Tiger will provide 'major' benefits for both the G5 processors and 64bit aware apps. Typically the vast majority of VW Users will remain un-affected until NNA recodes the entire app. to the required API & compiler standards, and this will depend on Longhorn development. Until that time arrives OSX will continue to run multiple API's simultaneously with virtually no requirements for user participation in the process. it wasn't 1990 and there was no machine with both processors on the mother board. Many applications were available as "fat" code, they shipped and installed with both 68000 and PPC code and the computer decided which to run. from lowendmac.com, "The 6100/60 was the entry-level Power Mac when Apple introduced the line in March 1994. Built into the Quadra 610 case, the 6100 contains a PDS which can be converted to a NuBus slot with an adapter. To save money, the 6100 uses RAM for video (up to 615 KB, depending on resolution and bit-depth), not separate VRAM. Thus, one way to improve performance is to add a video card, either Apple AV card or a third-party one. (This also makes it possible to run two monitors.) Another is to add a 1 MB level 2 cache, as noted on our benchmark page. More details at PowerMac 6100 Graphics Performance." [ 04-25-2005, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: wv_vectorworker ] Quote Link to comment
Jason Turley Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 http://www.nemetschek.net/news/pressreleases/2005/042605.html Quote Link to comment
APE Design Ctr Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 Sounds like good news indeed. It would be nice to get some users opinions once we upgrade. Quote Link to comment
alanmac Posted April 27, 2005 Share Posted April 27, 2005 And with the new upgraded Macs out now and reduction in monitor prices I guess a few will be hitting their bank accounts hard pretty soon. Base dual processor G5 2 ghz machine is now very tempting at the price the dual 1.8 was yesterday. A nice drop in price. Quote Link to comment
APE Design Ctr Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Also ... check with your local Apple dealer. Chances are, if you are quick, they will have a prev generation dual 2.5 in stock with a faster front end bus for the same price as the new Dual 2.3 GHz. Althought the new ones have the dual layer superdrives. Eddie Quote Link to comment
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