Sebastiaan Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Hi, I am trying to make a 4 Bar Lighting instrument by using the multi circuit command. But as I am trying nothing really happens to my fourbar that make me think it behave like a fourbar. Could someone give me a step by step on how I should create one? Thank you! Sebastiaan Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 What do you mean by a fourbar....? Quote Link to comment
Sebastiaan Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, markdd said: What do you mean by a fourbar....? A bar with four parcans on it and a mutli cable connection so one can patch each parcan individually. In the Netherlands we call them fourbars or sixbars. Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I made this tutorial ...... 2 Quote Link to comment
Sebastiaan Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 thank you very much @markdd!!! Quote Link to comment
swcreative Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 12/28/2018 at 3:09 AM, markdd said: I made this tutorial ...... I've tried following this multiple times but after attaching the record to the created symbol the inserted symbol is not treated as multiple lighting device objects as your video shows so the lights cannot focus like you show. Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Post or PM the file and I’ll take a look Quote Link to comment
swcreative Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 hours ago, markdd said: Post or PM the file and I’ll take a look I have attached the file that I created this morning with the issue I am having, I also screenrecorded myself making this file so you can see if there is something I am missing or doing wrong: test-4-bar.vwx Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) The trick is to use symbols when you build the multi-circuit instrument not lighting devices. There should be NO lighting devices in the final symbol. Just nested symbols. You will need to rebuild the symbol as editing it and ungrouping them will not work. The process is highly prescriptive I'm afraid. I just tried with your file and that works fine with this method Mark Edited February 21, 2019 by markdd Quote Link to comment
swcreative Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 42 minutes ago, markdd said: The trick is to use symbols when you build the multi-circuit instrument not lighting devices. There should be NO lighting devices in the final symbol. Just nested symbols. You will need to rebuild the symbol as editing it and ungrouping them will not work. The process is highly prescriptive I'm afraid. I just tried with your file and that works fine Mark Can I convert a lighting device to a symbol that I can use to do this or do I make something from scratch? I tried making a basic hybrid symbol with a simple shape for the 3d light and I was able to create a 4 bar that was treated as 4 lighting devices as you show however the lights do not tilt to line up with focus points. Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just drag your instrument symbol from the resource Manager on to the plot. It won’t convert to a lighting device that way. Alternatively, use the insert symbol tool and navigate to it that way. Quote Link to comment
swcreative Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, markdd said: Just drag your instrument symbol from the resource Manager on to the plot. It won’t convert to a lighting device that way. Alternatively, use the insert symbol tool and navigate to it that way. That did it, thanks so much for your help. Quote Link to comment
LJ TMS Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 You can accomplish this by making it a blue symbol (or group symbol) during symbol creation. This will allow you to include plug-in objects (Lighting Instruments) within the symbol. 1. Draw your 4 Lighting Devices and bar 2. Select them, Create Symbol, and check "Convert to Group" in Other Options Now if you look at the symbol you created in the Resource Browser, the symbol name will be blue. When you insert a new instance of this symbol in the file, it will insert as a group. Ungroup it and you'll have four Lighting Instruments and a bar! test-4-bar-2.vwx Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 @ljtms I think the point was to make a multi circuit instrument. 1 Quote Link to comment
LJ TMS Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, markdd said: @ljtms I think the point was to make a multi circuit instrument. Oops missed the multicircuit bit, my bad! Quote Link to comment
EJ Berendsen Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I'm trying to make a 6 bar as done in the video. I can give each par64 his own channel number and patch. But I can not give each par 64 his own focus point. When I attach an focus point to one of the par's i get a red line indicating the focus direction from the centre of my 6 bar.. I'm working in 2021 can this be a bug? Quote Link to comment
Sebastiaan Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, EJ Berendsen said: I'm trying to make a 6 bar as done in the video. I can give each par64 his own channel number and patch. But I can not give each par 64 his own focus point. When I attach an focus point to one of the par's i get a red line indicating the focus direction from the centre of my 6 bar.. I'm working in 2021 can this be a bug? there is a new workflow for multicell fixtures in VW 2021. You can find explanation about the new function here. https://app-help.vectorworks.net/2021/eng/index.htm#t=VW2021_Guide%2FLightingDesign1%2FConcept__Multi-cell_lighting_devices.htm&rhsearch=Multi cell&rhhlterm=Multi cell&rhsyns= Quote Link to comment
EJ Berendsen Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Thank you Sebastiaan for the link. I have followed the workflow. But without any luck. I have created a pipe with 6 par cans (no lightning devices). Select everything and create a group. It's acting like a multi cell fixture for the fields Color, Patch, Channel. But I can not focus each par to an other focus point. So if I set par 1 at focus point A, then all the others go to focus point A. When I set par 2 at focus point B, then all the others go to focus pont B. I have tried to make 6 different Par64 symbols for the nested symbols, by duplicate them and give them other names Par64_1, Par64_2 ect ect. Maybe I oversee something but it worked on previous builds of Vectorworks......... when you followed the earlier video of Mark. Hope somebody has a solution for this. Quote Link to comment
markdd Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Basically things have changed since I made the video. As of 2021, Multi-cell instruments now move as one unit so any individual Pan and tilt will not work. Since you posted a couple of days ago I have been trying to dream up a better workflow for adding 6-bars. The simplest I can come up with is if you make the Symbol as you would the multicellular version but with all of the 6 symbols converted to lighting devices. In the Symbol options of the Symbol you make, make the symbol add as a group. (Blue Symbol). You will get 6 Par Lighting devices (or any other instrument type) added to the Rigging object you choose. For me this is absolutely fine and works well. The only drawback for me is that the Automatic Numbering doesn't number the lighting devices in the same way as a Multicell instrument. There is another workflow I am exploring which uses the Rigging Loads tool as well, but that's for another day! 1 Quote Link to comment
EJ Berendsen Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Thanks Mark, The workflow with a groups works for me at the moment. It would be great if we can handle pan tilt per cell in the future........ EJBerendsen Quote Link to comment
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