Import Rhino V6 .3dm file fails

[milezee]

Very new to VW, just testing import from other file types (I use Rhino3d a lot). Tried to import a Rhino V6 file, no success. Saved the same file to a Rhino V5 file and the import worked fine. Is this something that needs addressing or highlighting as a bug ? 

[PVA - Admin]

What version of Vectorworks are you currently using? It looks like 6 was released this year, so its possible older versions won't ever be able to handle it, but normally the latest version of Vectorworks is kept within a year or two compatible with other packages like that. I don;t see anything specifically mentioning version support for Rhino in the documentation, just the support for 3DM.

In any case if you can send me the file I can submit it and see if thats an upgrade we need to make.

[milezee]

@Jim Wilson apologies Jim, VW 2019, Architect. From the file drop down menu in VW, Imports, there is a specific option Rhino 3dm ? 

Edited November 29, 2018 by milezee

[milezee]

@Jim Wilson I can't attach to this thread or message you the files, file type not supported ?? 

[PVA - Admin]

9 minutes ago, milezee said:

@Jim Wilson apologies Jim, VW 2019, Architect. From the file drop down menu in VW, Imports, there is a specific option Rhino 3dm ? 

Correct, apologies. I didnt mean nothing related to Rhino, just that I just didn't see anything mentioning 3DM Version 6 or 3DM Version 5 or anything like that. There is that distinction when we import some other file formats like DWG and SKP.

Also: You should now be able to upload 3DMs, I have edited the forum permissions.

[milezee]

a V5 & V6 file attached for comparison 👍

Rhino V5 Test.3dm

Rhino V6 Test.3dm

[Mark Aceto]

Yep, this was the case in 2018 and now in 2019. I deal with this issue regularly, so I'd like to upvote the request for v6 import compatibility.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Mark Aceto

[Kevin McAllister]

I'm using Rhino as well. I'm sure I'll encounter the need for v6 soon too.

Kevin

[milezee]

@Mark Aceto @Kevin McAllister well hopefully now a few users are making their Rhino/VW workflow known V6 compatibility might make an appearance 🙂

chaps I'm a complete VW newbie, what's the best way to import a Rhino model (say a kitchen cabinet) and make it a VW class object or symbol, where I can use like a custom cabinet ? tia 

[Mark Aceto]

7 minutes ago, milezee said:

what's the best way to import a Rhino mode

 

Step 1: reconsider

[milezee]

@Mark Aceto that bad ? the Rhino5 file imports fine, although that is as far as I got 🤣.  What are the challenges with a 3dm file inside of VW ? 

[Mark Aceto]

VW hates meshes, so:

 

Step 2: simplify mesh

Step 3: convert to a generic solid

 

Nebertheless, it will continue to slow down DL and SLVP, and massively increase file size.

 

The only rhino objects I import are custom (often grasshopper) “sculpted” models. Something like a cabinet, I would prefer to model natively in VW to keep the file lightweight and responsive.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Mark Aceto

[Kevin McAllister]

42 minutes ago, Mark Aceto said:

VW hates meshes, so:

 

Step 2: simplify mesh

Step 3: convert to a generic solid

 

Nebertheless, it will continue to slow down DL and SLVP, and massively increase file size.

 

The only rhino objects I import are custom (often grasshopper) “sculpted” models. Something like a cabinet, I would prefer to model natively in VW to keep the file lightweight and responsive.

 

I go between Rhino and VW all the time. Properly constructed objects in Rhino usually come into VW as NURBS surfaces and NURBS curves which are very useable. I often Stitch and Trim collections of NURBS surfaces to create solids. Rhino closed polysurfaces will normally appear as generic solids in VW.

 

Rhino isn't really a mesh based piece of software so I'm surprised you're encountering a lot of meshes. That said, I often send VW objects to Rhino to convert them to mesh because the Rhino mesh command has so much finer control and generates clean meshes for 3d printing.

 

Kevin

 

Edited November 29, 2018 by Kevin McAllister

[milezee]

just downloaded VW 2020, still the import for Rhino V6 files fails. This didn't work in VW 2019 either. Having to constantly change Rhino files to V5 so they can imported into VW2019 & VW2020, please can we fix this 🤔

[Guest Wes Gardner]

What I would like to see is the import of Rhino's layer structure...similar to how we import a .dwg

[milezee]

24 minutes ago, Wes Gardner said:

What I would like to see is the import of Rhino's layer structure...similar to how we import a .dwg

@Wes Gardner yes that would great too, but for now I'd just like VW to be able to import Rhino V6 files, its been out for about 2 years now, surely this is a basic import from another CAD package which VW has a native import option for 🙄

[Guest Wes Gardner]

@milezee...yep, I'm a fan of V6

 

 

[milezee]

@Wes Gardner quality that Wes, there's some pretty hardcore surfacing modelling right there, my work doesn't quite go as far as that but I've done some pretty cool things with Rhino over the years, pound for pound its probably the best 3d software out there. Only just starting using VW this year and am generally liking it, especially extracting data and adding the worksheets onto the sheet layers. 

Please VW people make the Rhino import option work properly ☺️ 

[Guest Wes Gardner]

@milezee...sounds like an opportunity for an Enhancement request...I think I'll file one 🙂

[milezee]

@Wes Gardner excellent 👍, Wes how do we request that the import feature be looked at so we can import V6 files ?

[Guest Wes Gardner]

@milezee...since it's not really a bug, the best way is to use the "Wishlist" function here on the Board. 

 

Wes

[A.D.K.]

Bump and another vote for Rhino 6 support, please.  In 2019 and 2020 would be great, but I get it if we can't have it retro in 2019.

[milezee]

2 hours ago, A.D.K. said:

Bump and another vote for Rhino 6 support, please.  In 2019 and 2020 would be great, but I get it if we can't have it retro in 2019.

Rhino V6 has been out for years now, Rhino V7 WIP is in its final stages and I would anticipate a release by the end of the year 😂😂👍👍👍 

[rDesign]

2 hours ago, A.D.K. said:

Bump and another vote for Rhino 6 support, please.  In 2019 and 2020 would be great, but I get it if we can't have it retro in 2019.

Here’s a LINK to the existing wishlist thread for this. Please follow the link to that thread and go upvote it (it currently only has 1 vote).

[A.D.K.]

Thanks all.  I'm currently exporting dwg from rhino and it's a bit awful.