'Wall Styles' to reflect real-world construction

[Amorphous - Julian]

01 THE ISSUE WE SEE:

 

• Wall tool works great for larger projects where 'wall types' are standardised to a limited number of variations.
   
• But in smaller, bespoke projects where two sides of walls have a lot of combination of finishes (think 'bathroom on one side, bedroom on other' ... etc), the number of wall types required to reflect these conditions gets out of control. 
   
• See enclosed images: 
  One one side of the wall  (see SIDE 1.png), we have a timber veneer finish bordering an adjacent mirror.  
  Even though the other side in both these finishing conditions are both paint finish (see SIDE 2.png), we have to create two different 'wall types' for this.
   
• You can imagine how the different combinations of finishes can cause the wall types to spiral out of control quickly.
   
• Plus, there are a lot of 'starting and stopping' of walls- Whilst in real-life situation, this wall would be built as one continuous core in the centre. 
   
• The other disadvantage of the current method (refer to the elevations) is, when rendered, a junction line that is supposed to separate the finishes would not appear in elevation.
   
• So, in order to show any kind of construction gap or joint between the two walls, we'll have to make yet another wall type, with a thinner 'component' that sets back from the finished surface, and we'd call this 'gap wall'
   
• In other words, if we want a 5mm shadow-gap between the said mirror and the timber wall, we'll leave a 5mm gap between the two said wall types, and  fill the gap between the two walls with a 5mm long 'gap wall'.
   
• This is not really a feasible way of building a BIM model. 

 

02 THE SOLUTION WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE:

 

• On a construction site, the 'core' (stud, masonry...) of the wall is always constructed first, and then the 'components' (gypsum, stucco, plywood...) are applied over them. 
   
• Importantly, the 'core' is constructed continuously. 
   
• It would be most helpful if 'WALL TOOL' is just the walls- giving us the ability to draw continuous 'core' walls, without 'stopping and starting' the walls to accommodate the finishes components.
   
• If 'WALL TOOL' draws continuous 'Core Walls', there should be a 'FINISHES COMPONENT TOOL', where users can create 'Finishes Build-Up' styles that can be 'snapped' onto the 'Core Wall'.
   
• This way, we can stretch the 'Finishes Component' along the surface of a 'Core Wall' long as it needs to be, and even have the option to add 'skirting, flush skirting, cornices' or the like to finish them off. 
   
• To resolve the issue of displaying junctions between adjacent 'Finishes Components', perhaps we can be given the option to 'show/hide joint between Finishes Components', or even have the option to add trims between them. 
   
• This concept would work great if the Doors and Window objects can intelligently penetrate these 'Finishes Components'.
   
• The final point we would like to say the above method can be advantageous because it will allow each 'Finish Component' to be automatically tagged with a 'Finishes Tag'.
  This can be done by picking up on the properties of each 'Finishes Component' 

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Amorphous - Julian

[Kevin C]

Closures occassionaly deciding not to show / wall components randomly disappearing / internal and external views not showing components etc.

[Matt Panzer]

2 hours ago, Kevin C said:

Closures occassionaly deciding not to show / wall components randomly disappearing / internal and external views not showing components etc.

 

A lot of these cases have been resolved but, if you see the issue happen again in 2024 Update 4.1, please let us know and include a file with the issue if you can.

[JBB]

Not quite comfortable with how forum works, but was interested in walls/components issue in this stream and found out a lot of "stuff" here. After calling VW Help/Support, I was told to add my request to update the Wall Style/OIP in kbase.  This forum stream is related to what I feel is a basic "miss" in the wall style OIP. Namely that I went to regularize my wall alignments (to aid in dimensioning) and was flabbergasted to find that the wall's X: and Y: dimensions are to the center of the wall, NOT to the center of the core which is defined in the wall style. That negates the opportunity to easily align all the (continuous) cores of the walls with various different surface finishes.

Suggestion:  ADD a drop-down in the OIP X: Y: area to allow the walls "center" to be defined by Wall center, Core Center or Core plus an Offset. Or. in the wall style add a choice for "Dimension to:" so we can align our core structure.