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Andrew Davies

A “by current class” choice in symbols

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Hello

 

I am 95% sure this is not possible currently, but I would love to be able to set a class within a symbol that takes it’s attributes from the current class that that symbol is assigned to.


Currently - once a symbol is defined - it’s display attributes are unaffected by which ever class it is assigned to once placed on a design layer.  (please correct me if I am wrong)

 

For example - I have a big library of scenic flats.  So that the colours show properly in viewports, I have had to duplicate them so that I have a (for example) “Black Flat”, “White Flat”, “Grey Flat” symbols (all at the various sizes) etc.  It would be helpful if I could just make a single symbol for each size - then let that symbol take the graphic attributes from whatever class is assigned to it on the design layer.


Hope this makes sense.


Andrew

 

 

 

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Ha ha. This is the ONLY thing that I miss from AutoCAD. The ability for geometry to be set to change by Class or by Symbol ("byLayer" or "byblock" in Acad). This would be such a terrific improvement. That said, it may play havoc with things like Data Visualisation in Sheet layers.......

 

As a workaround or indeed an alternative way of doing things, you could attach a data record to the flat symbol and let data visualisation in viewports do the work for you. I am sure that will give you the results you are looking for. Layer colours is also another solution but is a bit inflexible as well as meaning that you would need loads of layers where in fact classes seem more appropriate. 

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Thank you for posting this! I've often wanted this sort of functionality.

 

Objects within symbols should be able to have their attributes set to "By Symbol" in addition to by Class. You should also be able to set textures "By Symbol."

 

That way, for example, 5 instances of the same symbol could have 5 different fill colors by simply changing the attributes palette of the symbols themselves. Anything within the symbol that's set to "By Symbol" would listen.

 

And if you want the contents to listen to the symbol's class (as you've described above) simply set the symbol instance to Class Style.

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Would be handy for groups as well, maybe even other container objects.

"By Container" would be great if possible.

 

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This has been wished for before. Things like this is why VW should take one year to fix/add all these little or not so little things that can make a lot of difference to our workflow instead of adding new features.

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This would be a very important new feature! Currently, it is impossible to SEE which class the symbol is on, unless looking it up at the OIP.

 

We frequently struggle with symbols accidentally placed on wrong classes and showing up in viewports or worksheets where they shouldn't be.

 

In  my prehistoric Autocad life this simple thing was one of the most powerful features - you would immediately see that something is in the wrong layer(class) since the appearance of the block(symbol) would change accordingly.

 

Please! No harm in this?

 

 

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On 3/8/2018 at 9:47 PM, Art V said:

This has been wished for before. Things like this is why VW should take one year to fix/add all these little or not so little things that can make a lot of difference to our workflow instead of adding new features.

Indeed! Now that the super-critical photos to 3D feature is off the production line, could the programming factory please update the doors, windows and stairs? And that little thing discussed above :-)

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a Class : "from parent Class" option ?

 

While "parent" is Symbol/Group/Extrude/ .......

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Agreed. This would be great to have.

IMO, this might be the only functionality where ACAD wins out over Vectorworks.

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I would love this feature. Color is a important part of our design process and having multiple symbols for each possible color is not practical. My current workaround is creating a script that duplicate the outline of the object, then assign it a color. I treat it as a plugin, so changing color is not awful.

 

Still the AutoCAD way is much easier.

 

Martin

 

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6 hours ago, Martin Crawford said:

Still the AutoCAD way is much easier.

 

...the one time I absolutely agree with this sentence :D

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19 votes for this wish!  Would be interested in hearing thoughts from Nemetschek on this

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This would make symbols more useful if some of the attributes could be class controlled and instance based. 

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