Darrell Henry Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 It is super frustrating to pay to be a beta tester for Braceworks. Hoists: • Insert Truss using the Insert Truss Tool • Convert the truss to a Hanging Position • Insert hoists using the Hoist tool • Little red diamond shows up -- supposedly binding the hoist to the truss • Run Calculate Visible -- "The Suspension Point is not attached" • Drag hoist off position and re-attach - same message • Delete hoist and re-insert -- same message Instruments: • Right click on instrument -- Attach to Hanging Position -- select the HP • Click on Hanging position • Click on drill down arrow on instrument -- Set Hanging Position • Attach to truss (get the little red diamond and left click to assert • Run Calculate Visible -- The Load is Not Connected Just really frustrated that every visual clue says it is working and yet it doesn't. Question: If I have a motor for an audio point or cable point that is not attached to truss: • Can I insert a load and connect it directly to the hoist (seems like no)? • How do I stop those hoists from generating "The Suspension Hoist is not attached" errors? Quote Link to comment
Projx_CA Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I'm in the same boat Darrell! I spend more time trying to solve errors than it would take me to manually calculate the weights. I definitely feel like a beta tester too. I haven't solved the cable pick question either. For that scenario I manually input a weight in the a USER field - but it will not calculate or be part of the report. I don't know if you can connect a load directly to a hoist with out an intermediary piece of hardware like truss or a pipe. Quote Link to comment
Projx_CA Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Needed to vent. I want to love Braceworks - I really do, but it hurts me to do so. Screenshot attached. This drawing would take hours to clean and calculate. Back to the manual method. Edited January 4, 2018 by Projx_CA Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee klinzey Posted January 9, 2018 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted January 9, 2018 You can connect loads to a single hoist. Unfortunately, this is a little bit tricky with the Vectorworks Hoist. You have to place the load at the hook of the hoist, and then Braceworks will calculate the single hoist. We are working to update the snapping to better support this connection. Also, be sure you are using SP2. There were several fixes in SP2 related to connecting items to the hanging position. It's difficult to diagnose the issues from just the screenshots. Would it be possible to post the file here or email it to technical support, tech@vectorworks.net? Please put "Attention Kevin" in the subject line if you email the file. I've also asked the developer, Moritz, to post to this thread if he has any additional information or questions. Quote Link to comment
Projx_CA Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 klinzey, Is there a correct way to cantilever a pipe on top of truss without the calculation failing? I want to out rig a pipe with a load at the end (in this case a fixture). I thought I stacked the pipe on top of the truss correctly.... Quote Link to comment
Moritz Staffel Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Hi, you need to change the setting in the Truss Cross. See the attached screen shot. Rigid Truss Cross have a square center element, pliable have circles. Quote Link to comment
Projx_CA Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Thanks Moritz. I tried that too before posting...here is the result of the rigid connection. I still get the support error, plus the elements occupying the same space. Quote Link to comment
brooks gotham Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Any one else finding the "Hoist Weight" field in the hoist object window missing. it is supposed to be right under the "chain Cross Section" button but it is missing. I have 1/4 ton motors that are being calculated out at 100 lbs. with nothing on them, Did they move the place where you can set up the hoist weights. Thanks Quote Link to comment
Projx_CA Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, brooks gotham said: Any one else finding the "Hoist Weight" field in the hoist object window missing. it is supposed to be right under the "chain Cross Section" button but it is missing. Interesting. I have hoist weight in some existing drawings, but not if i create a new drawing. 2 screenshots attached. I think you found a bug. Quote Link to comment
Peter Neufeld Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) Yes I have reported this as a bug on 29th Nov. I think we'll have to wait for the next service pack. The missing fields are: Low Hook to load trim Speed Voltage Total Chain length Hoist Weight Chain Weight Hoist wt with Chain You can still access the fields via a worksheet which I enclose. Cheers, Peter Hoist missing OIP SP2 worksheet.vwx Edited January 19, 2018 by Peter Neufeld Quote Link to comment
brooks gotham Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I went messing around in the built in plug-in window. When I changed a name of an alternate name field and exited all of a sudden the missing fields reappeared. The path to where I was is : Tools/Plug In Manager-> Built In Plug-ins -> HoistVW, then double click I simply changed one of the alternate names slightly. I would bet that if you just went in to this are and then clicked OK it might work but I cannot recreate this issue to prove it. Warning I have heard that if you change the regular name fields it breaks the hoist tool. Quote Link to comment
Moritz Staffel Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 @Projx_CACan you share the file with me? Then I can have a look on this issue. Quote Link to comment
brooks gotham Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 After some more time I Noticed that it gets screwed up when you open the hoist tool Preferences. Apparently something is amiss in the preferences dialog box. I noticed this because I watched the fields disappear as I clicked on on the OK Button. When you adjust one of the labels in the Plug-in manager the object info box is restored to its original state. Do VW Developers lurk around here and take notice of things like this or is their a bug report form to report thing like this? Thanks Quote Link to comment
Guest Yordan Kostadinov Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 48 minutes ago, brooks gotham said: After some more time I Noticed that it gets screwed up when you open the hoist tool Preferences. Apparently something is amiss in the preferences dialog box. I noticed this because I watched the fields disappear as I clicked on on the OK Button. When you adjust one of the labels in the Plug-in manager the object info box is restored to its original state. Do VW Developers lurk around here and take notice of things like this or is their a bug report form to report thing like this? Thanks This issue is fixed for SP3. Quote Link to comment
brooks gotham Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Cool! Thanks. when do you think SP3 will be released? Quote Link to comment
brooks gotham Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Any one else have issues getting distributed loads to attach to trusses/ hanging positions. Also having issues getting truss crossing connections to work ( i cannot select the second truss to create the cross) Thnaks Quote Link to comment
gangotti Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I notices the posts stop in 2018. Have these issues been fixed? I am trying to figure out if the issues I am running into which are the same as in this thread are from me doing something wrong or if the software is truly buggy especially when it comes to hoists and bridles. I have tried connecting a hoist to a truss with the red diamond and then connecting the hoist to the structure and 60% of the time that works, likewise using the bridle tool with a hoist symbol I see the red lines between the structure and the diamond on the truss and 60% of the time it works. The rest of the time the Braceworks tells me "The suspension point is not attached, and no mater how hard I try and will it to attach to the truss it will give me the diamond but it will not attach according to Braceworks. I have watched the videos probably a dozen times and no mater what I do it does not work like it does in the video.. is it me or the software. Quote Link to comment
Mark Aceto Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 42 minutes ago, gangotti said: I notices the posts stop in 2018. Have these issues been fixed? I am trying to figure out if the issues I am running into which are the same as in this thread are from me doing something wrong or if the software is truly buggy especially when it comes to hoists and bridles. I have tried connecting a hoist to a truss with the red diamond and then connecting the hoist to the structure and 60% of the time that works, likewise using the bridle tool with a hoist symbol I see the red lines between the structure and the diamond on the truss and 60% of the time it works. The rest of the time the Braceworks tells me "The suspension point is not attached, and no mater how hard I try and will it to attach to the truss it will give me the diamond but it will not attach according to Braceworks. I have watched the videos probably a dozen times and no mater what I do it does not work like it does in the video.. is it me or the software. First, try quitting and restarting VW. That usually fixes those errors for me. Then, try the same workflow in 3D. Don’t worry about making perfect or final. Just see if the attachments will succeed. The thing with Braceworks is to isolate what you’re working on / calculating, and then incrementally build on that, little by little. That way, if you get an error, or get stuck, you can fix that part of the system instead of playing roulette. Quote Link to comment
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