Jim Smith Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) I'm awaiting a new survey for a project, but in the mean time I was able to get the following from the Land Registry Office. The problem is when I use the Property Line Tool, in any mode the resulting Property Line information never works properly. Here's the info from the Registry Office: Here's what a Property Line Result from a traced Polygon (Create Object from Shape command) then edited in a Viewport. This has been edited in an attempt to correct the values of the direction of the vertexes. Note no length visible in the Viewport, - all layers & classes are turned on. Here is a zoomed in view in the design layer of one line; one may see the length has been called out. Could this have anything to do with my dimension units are Metric, but as this is from an old document the lengths are in Decimal Feet? Regardless, I never seem to be able to get a Property Line to work vis a vis the info from a survey. I went back to the online video on how to make one, & no matter I can't get this to work. In the past I have been able to make a property line that is the correct shape, I just turn off the text & type my own in annotation. Edited October 16, 2017 by Jim Smith Quote Link to comment
Kevin Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 I am experiencing the same issue, doing the same thing that Jim did. Trying to create the property line using the dialog was a failure. So, like Jim, I traced the survey with lines and arcs and composed them into a polyline. I converted this to Property Line. NorthWest changed to NorthEast; SouthEast changed to SouthWest, just as Jim is showing. (Not all lines, but some). Is this tool broken or is there a trick that we do not know about? I have never been able to get the Property Line tool to work, so I assumed it was me. Now I am inclined to think that the tool has a bug or problem. Quote Link to comment
Jim Smith Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 .... or is it suffering from the same illness as the Stair tool? Quote Link to comment
Kevin Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I solved the issue that I was having with this tool. The problem was not so much with the tool as with my not understanding bearings. The revelation came in understanding that a bearing can have two different compass points. N 30 30 30 E, is the same as S 30 30 30 W. My surveyor explained that the choice in the survey is arbitrary, as it is the same bearing. However, the Property Line Tool depends on directionality. I needed to tell the Tool whether the next line goes up, (north), or down, (south). Once I understood that, I then saw that I could direct the property lines in their proper direction. When I copied the surveyor’s information verbatim, the tool never worked. But just now, I entered the bearings with the understanding of whether the line needed to go up or down, (north or south). For example, I have a rectangular property, and the survey has both of the north/south lines labeled NW, north/west. When I imputed this data, the Property Line Tool did not work, as the lines went where I did not want them to go. However, given that the Tool is progressing in a rectangular circle, it is logical that one of those lines must be opposite of the other. So in drawing this rectangle, I altered the surveyors bearings by switching north for south, and east for west.. To draw the rectangle clockwise, the first line must go to the right, then down, then left, then up. In other words the line must go east, south, west, north. Quote Link to comment
Mitch Brooks Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 You describe going around the property in a clockwise direction. I think you could go counter-clockwise as well, but the bearings need to support (reversed if necessary) that directionality. Quote Link to comment
Kevin Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Yes, Mitch, you can go in either direction. I am not sure why we are given this choice, as I cannot see how it makes any difference to the user. Whether you go clockwise or counter-clockwise, you still have to travel 360 degrees to close the property line. Quote Link to comment
AlanW Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 @KevinHI, Thanks for this additional insight from you and your surveyor. I figured it out by trial and error and also thought it was the program but as is most cases its the user but I understand it more with your info. Thanks again Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 use the simple dialog for the survey input Quote Link to comment
Jim Smith Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 18 hours ago, Alan Woodwell said: @KevinHI, Thanks for this additional insight from you and your surveyor. I figured it out by trial and error and also thought it was the program but as is most cases its the user but I understand it more with your info. Thanks again Thanks Alan, but I actually think it's the interface. I know from trial and error & info from a surveyor years ago that what Kevin says is 100%. This issue seems to be the tool requires one to have to do back of the envelope calculations to us it. Even then, as in my example it doesn't always work. Thanks Johnathan, but I can't get the simple dialogue to work properly either. I think I'm going to stick to my work-a-round: Import a scaled PDF into a blank file, draw lines, add text, save as a symbol, import symbol. Less time, less gas. Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I can make usually create the correct property line using the simple dialog. Sometimes i use the line tool and set the angle using the survey information. I have covered this tool several times on my web site: http://learn.archoncad.com/tag/property-line/ Quote Link to comment
Kevin Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Thanks Jonathan, I have always valued your insights. Quote Link to comment
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