JHAM Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Just downloaded 2018 and I am migrating over.. Tell me if I am missing something, but I cannot get the Door Hinge Markers to show up as dashed line type in an elevation (hidden line render). In the door preview, the default preview render mode is Wireframe, and the dashed line shows up correctly. As soon as I switch to Hidden Line, it becomes a solid line. I use a class type for the hinge marker and have tried various line types, but I cannot get any of them to show up as anything but a solid line. Anyone else having this issue? Don't want to complain too much, because my biggest pet peeve with previous versions (detail callout) was resolved! J 2 Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Yes, I'm having this issue. I'll submit a bug 👍🏼 By the way, better subform for these kinds of posts would be: https://forum.vectorworks.net/index.php?/forum/55-troubleshooting/ Edited September 19, 2017 by Christiaan 1 Quote Link to comment
JHAM Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 ah! Thanks! Quote Link to comment
AlanW Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) @JHAMHi, to change the marker to dotted untick this box. (This is 2016 am still waiting for the AUS/NZ release) HTH If you use hinger marker class attribute you can have any type of line you wish. See attached. Edited September 20, 2017 by Alan Woodwell Quote Link to comment
AlanW Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) Edited September 20, 2017 by Alan Woodwell Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) @JHAM Alan's right, unchecking this option will fix your immediate problem. But I think there's still a bug when using the Class attributes option that causes the line to be solid in Hidden Line render. Rendering in OpenGL using this option is fine, for instance. Edited September 20, 2017 by Christiaan 2 Quote Link to comment
Urbanist Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) On 9/19/2017 at 1:46 AM, JHAM said: Just downloaded 2018 and I am migrating over.. Tell me if I am missing something, but I cannot get the Door Hinge Markers to show up as dashed line type in an elevation (hidden line render). I'm certainly missing something since I don't understand the need for this. A non-professional client does not understand the obscure and funny hinge marker anyway and surely the professionals use door schedules in combination with floor plans. Industry practices of course vary. Edited September 20, 2017 by Urbanist Typos fixed Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, Urbanist said: A non-professional client does not understand the obscure and funny hinge marker anyway A key/legend solves that problem. 12 minutes ago, Urbanist said: and surely the professionals use door schedules in combination with floor plans. Forcing people to look at plans to know the swing of a door is lazy drafting, especially when you have a 3D model as a single source of data. It's not just door schedules either. Window schedules have doors in them. Quote Link to comment
JHAM Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 13 hours ago, Alan Woodwell said: @Alan Woodwell This is the step that is no longer working in 2018, the marker refuses to use the line type of the set class. Your other suggestion is great -- I'll use that for now until the bug is resolved. Cheers! Quote Link to comment
JHAM Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Urbanist said: I'm certainly missing something since I don't understand the need for this. A non-professional client does not understand the obscure and funny hinge marker anyway and surely the professionals use door schedules in combination with floor plans. Industry practices of course vary. You're right that clients do not usually understand this at first, but they are teachable and some catch on fairly quickly. Either way, a client's perceived understanding shouldn't dictate how we do our work/drawings. The hinge markers give an added layer of information in elevations -- sometimes elevations can read a little flat without them. They also are a signal that that rectangle in my drawing is definitely a door and cannot be mistaken for something else. Contractors need all the help they can get. 2 Quote Link to comment
Urbanist Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Christiaan said: A key/legend solves that problem. Keys and legends are a sign of poor drafting. 5 hours ago, Christiaan said: Forcing people to look at plans to know the swing of a door is lazy drafting, especially when you have a 3D model as a single source of data. It's not just door schedules either. Window schedules have doors in them. One of the first things I learned was not to draw anything that does not have relevant information value or is shown elsewhere in a more appropriate or detailed way. The swing of a door in an elevation is irrelevant, especially when we have a 3D-model that can show doors opened or shut. That is how one communicates to non-professional clients in this century. In my country, the door schedule is the legally binding document in this respect. No matter what you have in plans or elevations, industriously drafted, the doors that are delivered are those in the schedule. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Urbanist said: Keys and legends are a sign of poor drafting. Keys and legends are a cornerstone of clear communication. Some of us can't assume that a reader (professional or not) knows which way arrow markers are pointing, whether to the hinge side or the handle side. One of the clearest ways to communicate this is a graphic legend. 54 minutes ago, Urbanist said: The swing of a door in an elevation is irrelevant It's quite relevant in this elevation 54 minutes ago, Urbanist said: especially when we have a 3D-model that can show doors opened or shut Totally irrelevant to most of the window manufacturers we work with Edited September 20, 2017 by Christiaan Quote Link to comment
Urbanist Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Christiaan said: It's quite relevant in this elevation Fair enough, but no window manufacturer I have ever worked with needed such a representation. A diagram with single lines, dimensions and references to details or standards was enough. But as I said, industry practices vary and my main experience is from manual drafting in the 1970s and buildings with hundreds of windows usually following a typology. I have no idea of a workflow in which submodels such as your example can be reliably extracted from the building model, where one of course determines the dimensions and swings, but no-one wants such ugly lines in the elevation drawings. And speaking of details: I and my colleagues worked often very hard to find suitable steel profiles from manufacturers' catalogues, only to learn that the ones we chose could not be used for one reason or another. 10 hours ago, Christiaan said: Totally irrelevant to most of the window manufacturers we work with Quote Link to comment
martinfdc Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) On 9/20/2017 at 5:05 AM, Christiaan said: @JHAM Alan's right, unchecking this option will fix your immediate problem. But I think there's still a bug when using the Class attributes option that causes the line to be solid in Hidden Line render. Rendering in OpenGL using this option is fine, for instance. The bug of not showing the correct line characteristics using the class attributes in a Hidden Line render still exists. I hope it gets fixed soon. Edited June 19, 2019 by martinfdc Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted June 19, 2019 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, martinfdc said: The bug of not showing the correct line characteristics using the class attributes in a Hidden Line render still exists. I hope it gets fixed soon. @martinfdc, This appears to be fixed in Vectorworks 2019. What version are you seeing this problem in? Quote Link to comment
martinfdc Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt Panzer said: @martinfdc, This appears to be fixed in Vectorworks 2019. What version are you seeing this problem in? @Matt Panzer I'm using the spanish version of Vectorworks 2019 service pack 3. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted June 19, 2019 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, martinfdc said: @Matt Panzer I'm using the spanish version of Vectorworks 2019 service pack 3. Are you sure the "Use Hinge Marker Class Attributes" option is selected? If so, can you send me a file showing the problem? Quote Link to comment
martinfdc Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, Matt Panzer said: Are you sure the "Use Hinge Marker Class Attributes" option is selected? If so, can you send me a file showing the problem? Hi @Matt Panzer I was just editing my response to you. The bug is not present any more. Use hinge marker class setting was activated but I was doing something that did not make sense in another place. In my section viewport, under advanced section viewport properties>Objects Beyond/Below Cut Plane>Line Style> I was using a class setting and not the original attributes of the window. My apologies, my bad! Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted June 19, 2019 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted June 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, martinfdc said: Hi @Matt Panzer I was just editing my response to you. The bug is not present any more. Use hinge marker class setting was activated but I was doing something that did not make sense in another place. In my section viewport, under advanced section viewport properties>Objects Beyond/Below Cut Plane>Line Style> I was using a class setting and not the original attributes of the window. My apologies, my bad! Ahhh. Good to see you now have it working! 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment
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