2018 Titleblock issue

[ptoner]

Vectorworks 2018 Issue.

Existing titleblocks hold no placement data when updating a drawings titleblock to the current version. It forces the titleblock to away from the border and it will no long fit to page.
Any tips, or is this a bug?

Edited September 13, 2017 by ptoner

[crosetti]

I'm having the same issue.

Very concerning when a basic thing like a title block that EVERY diagram has does not work properly. 

When you double click the border to update your info a window pops up that forces you to update the title block. When you do, the title block vanishes & the border moves.

There is no "lock to page center" (unless they hid it) check box so I can't unlock the sheet border & place it manualy.

 

For now, change your info through.. Object Info / Data Tab.

This does not effect anything but the info

 

 

 

[Robert Anderson]

Hi ptoner, 

 

Not sure I understand your question. When you convert an earlier-version Sheet Border to a Title Block Border, if the old border was locked to page center, the new one should be also. Look at the Sheet Border tab on the Title Block Border Settings dialog.

[Andy Broomell]

28 minutes ago, crosetti said:

There is no "lock to page center" (unless they hid it) check box so I can't unlock the sheet border & place it manualy.

 

Fit to page and lock to page center can both be found on the Sheet Border section of the Settings:

 

 

Some settings have moved, but so far haven't seen any removed functionality. I was worried that I'd have to manually re-create all my title blocks for the new system, but so far the auto-convert has worked quite well.

[crosetti]

32 minutes ago, Robert Anderson said:

Hi ptoner, 

 

Not sure I understand your question. When you convert an earlier-version Sheet Border to a Title Block Border, if the old border was locked to page center, the new one should be also. Look at the Sheet Border tab on the Title Block Border Settings dialog.

once you click either option you get this..

 

[Andy Broomell]

Is the geometry of your title block off in space somewhere? Or did it completely disappear? 

[crosetti]

Vanished to the cornfield.  gone

[ptoner]

51 minutes ago, crosetti said:

once you click either option you get this..

 

Exactly what is happening to every drawing created in 2017 with a title block and border. 

My office of 40 staff, could not use this version currently, as it would take countless hours converting and setting every page, of every drawing. 

Edited September 12, 2017 by ptoner

[crosetti]

1 hour ago, ptoner said:

Exactly what is happening to every drawing created in 2017 with a title block and border. 

My office of 40 staff, could not use this version currently, as it would take countless hours converting and setting every page, of every drawing. 

Ptoner, If you have to change your info do not double click, do it through Object Info / Data Tab. This way it does not do the mandatory update thing.

Edited September 12, 2017 by crosetti

[ptoner]

Sadly our smart titleblock, created in 2017 all have this issue. We have to turn off, lock to centre of page, custom page size, turn off border, so it can be dragged to the location it should be.
The lock to page center is not working with titleblocks and borders from older 2017 drawings. 
I have even reworked the template for the titleblcok and when i click center on page... it moves and does not center on the page.
See examples.
Editing from the Object Info does not stop the fact that center on page does not work.

[markdd]

Regarding the positioning issue, I found this. If you change the origin of your sheet layer to the centre then all is well. Use the Move Page tool (nested under the Pan tool) to move the page to the centre. This seems to be the case with my drawings from VWX 2017.

Edited September 13, 2017 by markdd

[crosetti]

So what's the solution if any? because 2018 is useless with this border/title block issue.

Edited September 14, 2017 by crosetti

[ptoner]

11 minutes ago, crosetti said:

So what's the solution if any? because 2018 is useless with this border/title block issue.

The solution is, that there isn't one sadly. 

Not worth rolling out to the business. 

Edited September 14, 2017 by ptoner

[wprescott]

So i am beyond frustrated with the title block issue. the way it worked in 2017 was perfect and i don't understand why it was messed with. 

 

My custom Title block from 2017 took 6 different calls to tech support to actually get into my drawing, then you cant scale the title block without editing the 2D component.....each time that you use it.

 

Then after you have spent 45 min getting your title block in, getting it sized, changing the spacing from the edge of the paper (cause you cant just drag the thing over) you have a hell of a time to just enter in the data.

 

what happened to the easy data entry box that allowed for quick labeling.

 

THEN....after all that, the project/sheet information DOESN'T EVEN CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT SHEET!!!

 

You have got to be kidding me. the title block should be the SIMPLEST part of the entire drawing, it shouldn't take you an hour and a half two put a title block on two drawing sheets.

 

someone needs to rectify this situation IMMEDIATELY because this is NOT acceptable for a program that i have paid thousands of dollars for

[Andy Broomell]

9 minutes ago, wprescott said:

changing the spacing from the edge of the paper (cause you cant just drag the thing over)

 

If you have it set to "Use as Titleblock Only" with "Lock to Page Center" turned off, you should be able to move the title block wherever you want.

 

If you're NOT using it as Titleblock Only, just add a locus point in the 2D geometry to set the spacing from the border.

[Andy Broomell]

15 minutes ago, wprescott said:

you cant scale the title block without editing the 2D component.....

 

Oh gosh... is this true? That's REALLY unfortunate. I hope they re-implement Titleblock scaling because I don't want to have multiple styles just to make the title block bigger or smaller. Vectorworks programmers need to keep in mind the importance of fast, easy, on the fly changes.

 

I've otherwise thought the redesign has worked pretty well, a few issues notwithstanding.

[wprescott]

3 minutes ago, Andy Broomell said:

 

If you have it set to "Use as Titleblock Only" with "Lock to Page Center" turned off, you should be able to move the title block wherever you want.

 

If you're NOT using it as Titleblock Only, just add a locus point in the 2D geometry to set the spacing from the border.

ahh, well thats helpful.

 

however that doesn't fix the other slew of problems with the new system

[Andy Broomell]

The only major flaw I've seen is the slower processing of entering data. Complete design failure... What used to take one click now takes two! And you can't tab between fields. Not sure what the design vision was here since this is regressive.

 

 

 

 

(But I'm otherwise happy with many of the other new features which fulfill quite a few requests that have been made on the forums... Just wish there were more beta testing on V1.0)

[ptoner]

16 minutes ago, Andy Broomell said:

 

If you have it set to "Use as Titleblock Only" with "Lock to Page Center" turned off, you should be able to move the title block wherever you want.

 

If you're NOT using it as Titleblock Only, just add a locus point in the 2D geometry to set the spacing from the border.

That is not a solution when most people use borders that are hidden, in order to centre on the page itself automatically, if you change page size etc. 

Edited September 14, 2017 by ptoner

[wprescott]

Just now, Andy Broomell said:

The only major flaw I've seen is the slower processing of entering data. Complete design failure... What used to take one click now takes two! And you can't tab between fields. Not sure what the design vision was here since this is regressive.

 

 

(But I'm otherwise happy with many of the other new features which fulfill quite a few requests that have been made on the forums... Just wish there were more beta testing on V1.0)

 

so i think my biggest issue is that the standard title blocks don't work for me. i need a custom block that i can put what i want into it. but i cant find how to either use the one that i had in 2017 or make a new one and have it available to be me in the title block folder.

 

each time i want to use it, i have to Re import my graphic template thing

[Andy Broomell]

2 minutes ago, ptoner said:

That is not a solution when most people use boarders that are hidden, in order to centre on the page itself. 

 

How was this done in 2017?

[wprescott]

7 minutes ago, Andy Broomell said:

 

How was this done in 2017?

i never use borders, so this solution works for me

[crosetti]

frustrated 

Edited September 14, 2017 by crosetti

[markdd]

I get the principles behind this and it took me an hour or so to work it all out. But now I like it! The sheet and Project data interfaces need some looking at as they are not as elegant as they could be and it would be really great to be able to reorder the fields to something more intuitive. I think it would be much better if someone made a video about this to try and explain things further. 

 

One of the really good additions to the title blocks is now they can accept multi line text where I believe that was not possible in earlier versions.

[Kevin McAllister]

I'm neutral about the new Title Block system so far. I do find this dialog box odd -

 

 

since it asks a Yes or No question but doesn't give you a No option to choose. There is no way to use your title blocks as they were.

 

3 hours ago, Andy Broomell said:

The only major flaw I've seen is the slower processing of entering data. Complete design failure... What used to take one click now takes two! And you can't tab between fields. Not sure what the design vision was here since this is regressive.

 

 

 

 

(But I'm otherwise happy with many of the other new features which fulfill quite a few requests that have been made on the forums... Just wish there were more beta testing on V1.0)

 

Is this the only way to edit the Title Block data? At least it remembers which pane you were last on, so if you're editing title blocks it will open to Sheet Data each time. But as Andy says this is not a well implemented interface. It resembles the old "Data" tab in the OIP. It should resemble the new "Data" tab with direct entry.

 

This is a feature that would have benefited from an open beta process. It doesn't feel like its had enough input from people who have to use it and it also doesn't adhere to established VW standards very well (Its also hard because there's very little focus from NV on these forums right now. I suspect that everyone is focussed on next week's Design Summit.)

 

Kevin