Popular Post Tom Klaber Posted August 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2017 Smart-paste should be built into VW. VW should buy and incorporate it. https://www.smartpaste.co.uk/ 8 Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted August 22, 2017 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted August 22, 2017 OOoooOOOOooo, I'm in. Forwarding this along. Quote Link to comment
0 rgcn Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Oh wow! That would come in handy for the multiple clients I do work for! Thanks for the link, and yes Vectorworks needs this out of the box Rob Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 Works great. It can seem a little annoying when you are trying to get something out quick - but in the end your document stays clean - and if you have Pro - it gets faster and faster as it remembers the merges you have done before. Quote Link to comment
0 Christiaan Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Oh wow, I've been wishing VW would do something like this for ages. Considering making this the only option available in the office Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 This does not currently work with 2019 :(. Our files are regressing.... Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 Vectorworks - we NEED this capability. We keep having these consistency meeting - and no matter how great our new standards are - we are forever plagued by our old sins - as anytime we move resources from older files - they bring with them the wrong classes. We need an option that will alert you that you are bringing in new classes - and then an option to map those new classes to existing classes. More over we need it to remember that map - so that when we copy again - the process will get smarter and smarter - and allow us to update our standards. I know you can do it!! 1 Quote Link to comment
0 KrisM Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Seems like the SmartPaste website is "Under Construction". Not sure if that is a good or bad thing. Quote Link to comment
0 cberg Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 We bought Smartpaste in 2018 only to be severely disappointed half a year later when the Developer stopped updating the software with the VW 2019 release. Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 @KrisM ...I do not think it is good news. Vectorworks needs to step up and integrate this into the core program. Quote Link to comment
0 cberg Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I received this message today... Quote You are receiving this email as you some time ago you downloaded Vectorworks plug-ins such as SmartPaste or Intuitive Tools - or because you directly subscribed to our mailing list. Following several discussions with Vectorworks Inc. to possibly integrate the functionality of SmartPaste within Vectorworks, I have to sadly notify you that SmartPaste and Intuitive Tools will be fully retired - and no longer available. This also comes from recent development of our services towards CAM and BIM Management solutions, which do exclude the use of SmartPaste. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, you may do so by clicking here: https://smartpaste.us12.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=8d96fd50ace40b9fee2208a0f&id=174e3e6356&e=bf82c07b06&c=a4b95b20c9 If you want to know more about about the BIM Specialist services we provide, do not unsubscribe and we will contact you soon with more information. Thank you for your support using SmartPaste and Intuitive Tools in the past. Wishing you the best endeavours, Regards Giovanni Petrolito Founder RIBA Part III Architect BA Arch, LMU dip, ARB Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 That is devastating. Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 @Tom Klaber smartpaste has now taken their website down, so I would never know about this amazing tool you are talking about. What does it do? Very curious to know. Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Okay, I managed to find a video of what Smartpaste does in Youtube (link below). It seems like an amazing tool, and even though I've just learnt about this tool I'm disappointed that, for whatever reasons, the discussion between SmartPaste and Vectorworks broke down. It is a fundamental flaw with Vectorworks that new classes creation cannot be properly controlled. We end up with so many unwanted class each time we download a furniture object, or import from consultants. I have spent many a weekend in the office to 'clean up' rogue classes in a file. I can only do this 'clean up' when everyone is away, and I don't have 'permissions' issues with our project-sharing vwxp files. And since our files are so large, 'deleting a class' actually takes more than one-minute for each class. Notably, I have to delete these classes one-by-one, as I need to correctly properly reassign objects within each deleted class. This takes several hours. SmartPaste would have saved me doing this ridiculous task of class-cleaning. So, can someone from Vectorworks explain to us what is the plan moving forward, now that the discussion with Smartpaste has broken down, and they have discontinued development for this plugin? I hope it is the case that Vectorworks has developed a similar tool in-house. 3 Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share Posted February 19, 2020 It was amazing. It is soooo hard and painful to keep files clean. We are having a terrible time trying to modify our standards because old standards follow us around. The first day I installed this it was annoying, but then it learned the mapping - and it was amazing - then it became a tool I relied on to keep drawings clean. It saved sooo much time - as I did not have to manually re-class things before bringing thing over. I could be cavalier - copying and pasting with wild abandon - knowing that the current project standards were safe. I am so curious as to why VW would pass up on incorporating this into the software. @vectorworksCan we get this on the wish list? 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Since it's unlikely that Vectorworks will comment on this, can we invite @GioPet to share with us what happened? ( @GioPet I searched for your name on this forum to find you, and recognised you from the Logo icon on your profile) Cheers. Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 8/23/2017 at 12:00 AM, PVA - Jim said: OOoooOOOOooo, I'm in. Forwarding this along. I miss seeing this kind of enthusiasm/excitement from people within Vectorworks @Jim W 😀 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Popular Post GioPet Posted February 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) Hi all and thank you for the attempts to draw Vectorworks' attention to the use and advantages of SmartPaste in your practices. I was unaware of the existence of this post until @Amorphous - Julian tagged me - thanks for bringing me in. Quoting @Tom Klaber: On 2/6/2020 at 9:52 PM, Tom Klaber said: Vectorworks - we NEED this capability. We keep having these consistency meeting - and no matter how great our new standards are - we are forever plagued by our old sins - as anytime we move resources from older files - they bring with them the wrong classes. We need an option that will alert you that you are bringing in new classes - and then an option to map those new classes to existing classes. More over we need it to remember that map - so that when we copy again - the process will get smarter and smarter - and allow us to update our standards. The plug-in has been around since 2010 when I first developed this for Atelier Peter Zumthor - it later was distributed publicly via https://www.smartpaste.co.uk/ in 2015. It became an official VW Partner Product in 2016 and already back then I discussed the possibility of a direct involvement of Vectorworks, without any progress. In 2016, I had counted on the fact that more and more practices were adopting BIM as a process, which relies inherently in naming protocols in order to be fully exchangeable between the parties involved in a project - IFC should ring a bell... For us this seemed to be a good enough reason to push the development of SmartPaste as far as we could. A lot of effort was been put into SmartPaste interface which, as it stands, provides several features that are still inexistent elsewhere within Vectorworks: The text field in the dialog provides ‘Fuzzy-search’ i.e. as you start typing, the auto-fill will guess words based on the classes present in the file Mouse-click-related functions and other dialog events are also not ‘out-of-the-box’ - anybody who has scripted dialogs in VectorScripts will understand what I mean… We worked on the Auto-installer to make it as efficient and easy as possible: the installer detects your version of Vectorworks, language and operating system and adds the necessary commands to your workspace - including a built-in update feature. We were able to translate the interface to suit all languages available for Vectorworks The reality has been that our user base has shrunk more quickly than we were able to engage with, partly because many users moved onto Revit or ArchiCAD - I believe because they didn’t see how VW had similar if not the same Information Management capability. Possibly BIM in Vectorworks has been addressed with little focus on Information Management? When VW 2019 was released, the introduction of Class Description, Class Filters and Tags and other UI features, meant that various SmartPaste functions needed to be rewritten but we were not in the position of undertakeing this without additional help - which has been simply unaffordable up to this day. In several conversations with Vectorworks reps, they seemed little impressed by SmartPaste - and appeared not to fully understand the need to easily comply with naming conventions and the related impact and draw backs of not having the functionality provided by our plug-in. For anyone interested in knowing more, I have now restored our website and the distribution of versions compatible with VW 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018. The website has several videos explaining all features. As it stands, further consideration from Vectorworks would be fundamental to keep SmartPaste up-to-date. It would be great to hear your opinion @Jim W, I’ll be happy to answer any queries and suggestions. Thank you all again for the support, I really hope this will draw the right attention! Giovanni Edited February 25, 2020 by GioPet 7 Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Thank you for sharing your journey on the development of SmartPaste with us @GioPet. It would be a real shame if this great tool would come to an end just like that. @JuanP @Matt Panzer I see you guys as user advocates 😁. Since you seem to understand how we use Vectorworks- can you help investigate how we can get the features/functionalities of SmartPaste into Vectorworks? Seems like Giovanni has already done a lot of work in developing this tool. I'm not an engineer but I wonder if it would be that much work for your engineers to bring in what he's already done? Thanks guys. 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 This seems like one of those less sexy but key weapons in the BIM wars. I actually think it would make a great showcase in a feature video to show how VW helps you collaborate with others by being able to map their class structure to yours - keep your file clean and speeding up importing information. No brainier. 2 Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 As users subscribers of Vectorworks, I understand we may not be in a position to tell Vectorworks what to do commercially. So, may I ask just about the features that has been developed by Giovanni in SmartPaste? I can really see how these features helps with our workflow. Below you can find a video of us demonstrating the process to 'clean up' a file. That is, 'deleting a class' from our Vectorworks file. I recorded it on my iPhone, as 'screen recordings' via Quicktime do not show the 'spinning beach ball', which indicates 'processing'. Our computers have good specs, so the slowless is due to the large file size (2.2GB) and complexity. This cleanup process we'd do class-by-class: to make sure we don't accidentally delete the wrong things within a given glass, or reassign objects to a wrong class in the process. Hence, multiply the length of this video by 50 to get a sense of the pain of this process for us users. I would like Giovanni's SmartPaste tool, or something similar, to relief us from this pain. So, just speaking about this on a user-feature level, and not touching upon any potential commercial arrangements between Vectorworks and SmartPaste, can @JuanP please shed some light on whether these features may come in future versions? Thanks. Deleting a Class.mp4 3 Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 'let's sweep this issue under the carpet for another 3 years' Afterall... this question was only first asked by @Tom Klaber in 2017. How does it matter to revisit it in 2023? Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Popular Post Matt Panzer Posted March 9, 2020 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2020 Hi @Amorphous - Julian, My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I certainly see the value in a feature like this. I will get this in front of the right people's eye's.. 8 Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Thanks a lot Matt! Quote Link to comment
0 Taproot Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Adding my vote to this topic. This is a critical omission. VW encourages a class reliant workflow and without the capacity to map and assign classes over time, the whole system breaks down. We are in the process of investing significant resources into developing our office class standards ... and now I'm really wondering if that is even worth doing. Quote Link to comment
0 Amorphous - Julian Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 6:04 AM, Taproot said: over time, the whole system breaks down. Agree @Taproot not only does the Vectorworks 'classes' system break down- when there are too many classes, it breaks the computer too. This weekend I was trying to use 'purge' to get rid of unwanted class from importing consultant's drawings (there are about 600 classes). After 12 hours of churning, this action finally broke my computer- the RAM required Vectorworks blew out to over 140GB! Quote Link to comment
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Smart-paste should be built into VW.
VW should buy and incorporate it.
https://www.smartpaste.co.uk/
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Dear All, I hope you are all well around world in these times. This is a quick note to let you know that we are gearing up to work on an update of SmartPaste for VW2019 and VW2020.
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Smart-paste should be built into VW. VW should buy and incorporate it. https://www.smartpaste.co.uk/
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Hi @Amorphous - Julian, My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I certainly see the value in a feature like this. I will get this in front of the right people's eye's..
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