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Custom ID tags for windows and doors

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We'd like custom ID tags for windows and doors.

 

One of the main reasons we need them is to display the fire-rating of doors on floor plans for instance.  

 

We used to use symbols for doors, including our own custom ID tag (linked to a record format), and this included a fire-rating field. But now that we're using the Door Object we don't have this capability. The fire-rating is there in the door data but we're unable to display it as part of the ID tag, because ID tags are limited to ID Prefix, ID Label and ID Suffix.

 

You might say that we could use the ID Suffix field to show the fire-rating but we already use this field to identify a door type (and the fire-rating is already has its own field). So a typical door number for us would look like this: D-09-B (D=door, 09=door number, and B=type)

 

WinDoor, for instance, has custom ID tags, which are symbols the user can edit. They also have a second field that you can use for any piece of data you like, such as the fire-rating.

 

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I agree!

 

Door tag is a very important, fundamental tool for an architect!

 

The local standard over here is to show the following information in the door tag:

-Door ID number

-Door size in 10cm modules, eg. 9x21M

-handedness indicator

-Door type descriptor (steel door, glass door, sliding door etc)

-Fire rating

-Acoustic rating

 

Trying to display these in one line that the standard door tag allows becomes a mess.

 

I've tried to make a custom ID tag a couple of times, but these attempts were unsuccessful. I've thought I've followed the instructions but I can't get it to work.

 

As I wrote somewhere earlier, all door data is there, any custom record data is there, one would think it's easy to connect these with a customized tag.

 

 

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BTW, is there a reason why Windoor is not sold in Europe? or NA?

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14 hours ago, JMR said:

BTW, is there a reason why Windoor is not sold in Europe? or NA?

 

OzCAD is a small company that just wants to concentrate on making a good product for Aus/NZ I think.

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On 10/1/2017 at 9:10 PM, JMR said:

I agree!

 

Door tag is a very important, fundamental tool for an architect!

 

The local standard over here is to show the following information in the door tag:

In my country pretty much the same so VW's door object is totally useless as are most of the objects. I wonder why any architect would buy VW here and actually almost no-one does. 

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Well I'm very happy with VW, just not the doors and windows. I like the freedom and the plentiful controls VW provides.

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This thread could be merged with this one. Will the votes be merged?

 

 

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I've finally got round to assessing the updated/new Data Tag tool as a solution to this feature request and I'm not convinced. While it is possible to use in this way it has a couple of important drawbacks:

  1. Using Data Tag objects to tag windows and doors requires a lot of manual work, as the user has to manually place each Data Tag as a separate object, whereas the in-built ID tags are already in place.
  2. You can't offset a Data Tag object from the door or window without being made to use a leader line.

The later of these two drawbacks could be easily solved at Vectorworks' end but the first one is an inherent problem of using a separate object. Window and Door objects are special cases and already have ID tags built into them. It's these in-built ID tags I would like to be able to customise. Effectively we just need the in-built ID Tags harmonised with the separate Data Tag tool

 

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3 hours ago, Christiaan said:

I've finally got round to assessing the updated/new Data Tag tool as a solution to this feature request and I'm not convinced. While it is possible to use in this way it has a couple of important drawbacks:

  1. Using Data Tag objects to tag windows and doors requires a lot of manual work, as the user has to manually place each Data Tag as a separate object, whereas the in-built ID tags are already in place.
  2. You can't offset a Data Tag object from the door or window without being made to use a leader line.

The later of these two drawbacks could be easily solved at Vectorworks' end but the first one is an inherent problem of using a separate object. Window and Door objects are special cases and already have ID tags built into them. It's these in-built ID tags I would like to be able to customise. Effectively we just need the in-built ID Tags harmonised with the separate Data Tag tool

 

@Matt Panzer

 

Hi Christiaan,

My opinion is that having the tag contained within the plug-in object is not the right approach moving forward. There are too many drawbacks and limitations trying to have individual plug-ins with self-contained tags and many of those problems may never be overcome with that system. While I do understand the current drawbacks in using Data Tags, I believe it would be better to make improvements to them to help eliminate these issues. However, one improvement could be to have a Data Tag automatically inserted along with the door or window (at a given offset).

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Hey Matt, thanks for the comment. I thought you might say that, in which case, yes, if we could have the Data Tag inserted automatically (based on a Door/Window tag setting) and if we could offset them (without the need for a leader line) and manually drag instances around (and rotate them) then that would solve the problem imo.

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Hi christiaan, I have started to add my tags to the annotation part of the viewport. I find that it can read all the information that I want and it is where I want for that viewport. it doesn't matter that it is not on the same layer as the door, any updates to the door automatically go to the Data Tag. 

 

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If one places data tags in the annotation space of the viewport, then one cannot see them while working on the plan in DL mode?

 

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On 7/13/2019 at 11:52 PM, Jonathan Pickup said:

Hi christiaan, I have started to add my tags to the annotation part of the viewport. I find that it can read all the information that I want and it is where I want for that viewport. it doesn't matter that it is not on the same layer as the door, any updates to the door automatically go to the Data Tag. 

 

Thanks Jonathan, didn't know you could do that. But why not use Classes?

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