digitalcarbon Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It's not as easy as you think. 1 Quote Link to comment
Andy Broomell Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Out of curiosity (and coming from someone who doesn't really work with worksheets or BOMs), what's the advantage of creating all the separate NURBS Curves for the length calculations? Isn't there a way to pull data directly from the Extrude's "Extr" parameter? I assume this would be coupled with a Record Format attached to the object that includes a dropdown field specifying what type of specific pipe it is (as opposed to doing this with classes). And perhaps a checkbox that determines whether or not it should be included in the BOM (for example you'd leave it unchecked if it's one of those parts coming from a fabricator). I'm sure I'm missing aspects of the workflow, so I'm asking in order to learn more about how you've arrived at your current process. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 i would have to find a way to separate with more that an on or off. & every extrusion would have to have a name so i know what it what although the vendor is responsible for ordering the pipe material. i am still placing the length for that pipe on the fabrication drawings (for some reason i feel this is helpful) so i have pipe for: site manifold north manifold south branch north branch south etc so by using classes i have an infinite amount of variety also i do not know of any other way you can use line and not NURBS but its just that i have some pipe at an angle and the line tool will not slope with the pipe Quote Link to comment
RickR Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 "=Length" will get you the extrusion distance no matter how the extrusion was created. It will also give you length of 'extrude along path'. Sorting pipe types by class and by record field would be my choice. A simple record with material name, job phase or whatever, estimated cost, weight, etc is not a big deal. All that data can display in your worksheet if you want it to. Worksheets can do a lot of bulk editing, sorting and summing. But you can also do it graphically. (select everything in a class and check the record.) I like to look at it both ways to double check my data entry. My new favorite worksheet trick is to put multiple database rows in a single worksheet. Sort and sum each one, but use the same headers and show it as one object. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 someone would need to show me in a video Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 will it do extrudes that has been cut? Quote Link to comment
RickR Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 How about sending me a mini file and I'll do up a worksheet example. On cut extrudes I'd just have to try it out. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 here is a simple file Test_Extrude_Length.vwx Quote Link to comment
BCE Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 @digitalcarbon I suggest you get copies of the Standard Method of Measurement Engineering & Construction You are extracting the wrong data Quote Link to comment
RickR Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 OK, Here is a really quick sample from that. Tell me what you think should be different. Pipe_BOM.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 RickR, thanks but compare that to image below I'm using the "count" as a note also so they need to be singular work sheets BCE, the lengths need to match my dimensioned drawings that way i know my worksheets are correct (example there are 5 DR17 6" at 0.5m each so my worksheet is correct at 2.5m) the people that this is for know it represents net and they will add a % for waste & any other manufacturing fuzz Quote Link to comment
RickR Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I made some tweaks. Mostly I added a record to show how that can work, and I did some different sorting. More fields are possible so the combination of materials and dimensions can show whatever you want. I clearly don't understand what your goal really is. I just hope this helps with understanding worksheets a bit better. Pipe_BOM.vwx Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) thanks, my goal is to have a note to call out an item and show the net length needed for that part the company i work for then uses the net lengths as a materials base line for their spread sheets the big all in one spread sheet is difficult for them to read...they would rather see a single note pointing w/ the net quantity listed the computer has a way of generation too much information. Edited July 22, 2017 by digitalcarbon Quote Link to comment
RickR Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I doubt it would solve all your issues but I have another idea. For your symbols you can include some text that gets linked to record fields, like the Label one I used. It's probably most useful for your assemblies and parts. Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 i did link some text to my record fields in some symbols (see below) the point of this all is that whatever method is used it will need a human to figure it out and we should not look for a single button to push Quote Link to comment
bcd Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 On 7/21/2017 at 8:29 PM, BCE said: @digitalcarbon I suggest you get copies of the Standard Method of Measurement Engineering & Construction You are extracting the wrong data Can you elaborate BCE please? Do you mean that there is other useful data embedded in the project that should be extracted or that it should be coupled with outside data to make it more meaningful, or something else. I'm interested in your viewpoint on this. Can you give an example? Quote Link to comment
BCE Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, bcd said: Can you elaborate BCE please? Do you mean that there is other useful data embedded in the project that should be extracted or that it should be coupled with outside data to make it more meaningful, or something else. I'm interested in your viewpoint on this. Can you give an example? Of course there is other useful information embedded in solid geometry and extracted surfaces and the geometry and data is now used in simulations mostly by engineers Fabricators & Contractors also use it in construction estimating, pricing & build optimisation algorithms , logistics, not to forget the project owners use it in Life cycle Analysis Parasolid is the best Modelling Kernell, cheap as chips with VWs, although most of the PIO & Worksheets are pathetic and need upgrade , Thats another story You shouldn't load up BIM Models with useless data..there are standards. The SMM uses 3 levels of division, Measurement rules, Definition Rules, Coverage rules, Developed BIM rules,etc,etc You need to ask questions to others outside of this forum Edited July 24, 2017 by BCE Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 using worksheets as notes... Quote Link to comment
digitalcarbon Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 the text in the concrete block is still truncated.. this is a 2017 problem that has not been fixed 1 Quote Link to comment
BenV Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I also had a post about 3d text truncation/explosion a while ago. Bummer that there is still no resolution. 3d text linked to record format seems bug out very frequently. Also only in sheet layers, in my experience. Quote Link to comment
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