VW-Archicad interopabillity

[bcd]

What's the preferred workflow to export from VW to Archicad. IFC seems to get the job done but the results are clunky, DWG maintains the look & feel in 2d but lines and filled polygons.

I thought IFC promised a smooth Wall-Wall, Window-Window translation that would allow work to continue virtually seamlessly after traversing the wormhole.

Edited February 11, 2017 by bcd

[nca777]

LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HERE WORKING WITH ARCHS IN ARCHICAD. WE HAVE BEEN EXCHANGING IFC. JUST GETTING THE HANG OF IT AFTER YEARS OF CAD...

[nca777]

Still running into this issue, cant believe it's so challenging to get a clean import/export to/from other software. I would think this would be fundamental. Disappointed. Anyone have a relatively simple workflow for VW to archicad (and/or sketchup/revit) and vice versa ??

[zoomer]

On 11.2.2017 at 9:23 PM, bcd said:

I thought IFC promised a smooth Wall-Wall, Window-Window translation that would allow work to continue virtually seamlessly after traversing the wormhole.

 

 

No, IFC was never thought to do that (unfortunately)

IFC was thought to get data and information lossless in from other consultants. That works more or less fine.

But it is thought to never touch any foreign data but simple add yours into the complete model.

 

Everyone is thought to work in their own tools that fit your need.

 

 

But if I export IFC to an Archicad user, she can, after unlocking, access most IFC data as true walls, windows and

doors and can edit these. If I get her data, in VW I get in dumb meshes only.

At least from my Revit clients, I get real Generic Solids in by IFC after collapsing.

[nca777]

25 minutes ago, zoomer said:

 

 

No, IFC was never thought to do that (unfortunately)

IFC was thought to get data and information lossless in from other consultants. That works more or less fine.

But it is thought to never touch any foreign data but simple add yours into the complete model.

 

Everyone is thought to work in their own tools that fit your need.

 

 

But if I export IFC to an Archicad user, she can, after unlocking, access most IFC data as true walls, windows and

doors and can edit these. If I get her data, in VW I get in dumb meshes only.

At least from my Revit clients, I get real Generic Solids in by IFC after collapsing.

 

Same here. 

 

For working with the Archicad clients we work with most we've resorted to importing sketchup. Sketchup retains geometry best as well as their textures/materials. Problem now is I cant figure out how to get an IFC or 3ds back to them without scaling, loss of geometry

[zoomer]

If you just need to work together, each on his own part, that would be IFC.

At least in the future. When you will also get Texture and Materials in or

getting a materials table replaced by own App Materials to keep the appearance.

 

But what most people want to do is a real cross platform collaboration over

different Software while keeping Plugin Objects parametric.

And that does not work so far.

And I think we have to wait another 2 decades for that to happen.

[nca777]

We tried IFC with various settings only to find mssing geometry, missing materials. In the end it was faster and less lossy to exchange a sketchup file and cad plans. Pretty disappointing.

[ilimatiare]

Are you saying that you are taking a vectorworks file and exporting it to sketchup and then they bring it into archicad? Or are you saying you no longer use vectorworks at all with archicad clients?

 

Archicad and vectorworks are made by the same company - it should be simple to import and export to one anothers platform... infuriating!

[gester]

@ilimatiare 

currently

the wip work (iso 19650:1, cde environment) is supposed to be carried out in one technology standard for a particular branch. every shared work piece (export) is a noneditable information, and as ifc is supposed to be managed in the asset delivery on the building site. if you try to do it now, it may be disappointing, but as said: one branch (architect / structural engineer / mechanical designer a.s.o.) should each one use one specific data format for their piece of work.

 

in the future

the wip work is the same, but we will have an option to work on the pure geometry from the ifc in the dtv (editable design transfer view) mvd mode, regardless if it's the wip/shared/published part of the bim process. buildingsmart's decoupling (complete separation of geometry data from the alphanumeric for the ifc) is underway...

 

the british bim level 3 is a common work on open formats in the iot environment.

Edited July 11, 2020 by gester