Bas Vellekoop Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Scaling symbols with nurbs surfaces doesn't work properly See picture, I really hoped it was solved. When I change the nurbs surfaces in 3D polygons it scales correctly (one part is still nurbs as you can see in the picture) 2 Quote Link to comment
0 Bas Vellekoop Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Sorry saw this thread just now, please add this to the case . https://forum.vectorworks.net/index.php?/topic/44528-open-bug-list/#comment-225966 Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted December 7, 2016 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 7, 2016 Refiling this one as a new bug just in case. I see a lot of prior versions where it was marked as Fixed but it keeps recurring. VB-138176 Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) Ugh... this bug is my arch nemesis. @JimWI've never seen it happen in the design layer in previous versions (Bas Vellekoop's image). Maybe this clue helps kill it for good. I tested in VW2017 with my normal test object and here's the results - CORRECTION - My test object was no longer a NURBS surface, it had been converted to a generic solid. These errors are happening on a generic solid within a scaled symbol. See below for a NURBS version. Kevin Edited December 7, 2016 by Kevin McAllister 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Benson Shaw Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) Thanks for listing this, Kevin, Bas, Jim. I see it too. Here's a layer plane rectangle converted to NURBS Surface, and a duplicate made into a symbol. Several scales. The NURBS object scales via Modify>Scale objects. But the symbol version does not scale properly via the OIP scale field. Same result in all render modes, except wire frame shows outline of the extents. Scale NURBS Symbol.vwx Edited December 7, 2016 by Benson Shaw Add files 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Benson, Good example. I've seen the extents issue before myself. I think there's a combination of bugs at work here - some related to symbol scaling and some related to rendering. What happens when you convert the symbol version to a group in its scaled state? I've used this as a workaround in the past. Kevin Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted December 7, 2016 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 7, 2016 I think its a few clustered into similar behavior as well. The some-edges-not-others appearing in scaled symbols in @Kevin McAllister's lamp example I think is rendering specific, the objects not scaling at all or vanishing entirely are another and possibly two separate ones on their own. The current bug I've filed wads them all together until we can get engineers to pull it apart and if they're able to isolate the issues I'll file and run them down individually. This has definitely gotten worse (or more common) between 2016 and now. Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Please note I corrected the notes with my example above. Somewhere along the way my test object got converted to a generic solid as a workaround..... Here is an example with the bottom of the chandelier converted to NURBS surfaces - There seem to be issues with spheres, generic solids, and NURBS surfaces..... most of them go away when you convert the symbol to a group. Kevin Quote Link to comment
0 Benson Shaw Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Kevin McAllister said: What happens when you convert the symbol version to a group in its scaled state? What happens when the scaled symbol is converted to a group is very strange: The object becomes invisible. Ungroup does not help. The object is still invisible. Scale again to make it reappear, But other strangeness in that file. Scale the symbols as shown in the png (the extents scale, but not the visible object), then close and reopen the document. Result is that the symbols display as expected - they are scaled properly. And, they can be repeatedly rescaled and display correctly. It's alive and trainable! I give up. -B 1 Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 33 minutes ago, Benson Shaw said: But other strangeness in that file. Scale the symbols as shown in the png (the extents scale, but not the visible object), then close and reopen the document. Result is that the symbols display as expected - they are scaled properly. And, they can be repeatedly rescaled and display correctly. It's alive and trainable! I've seen this in the past too.... as I said, this bug is my arch nemesis. Every time I want to create an interesting, organic shape it catches me - trees, umbrellas, chandeliers...... Kevin Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Unfortunately symbol scaling still has issues in VW2018, at least with NURBS surfaces. KM Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 This happens to me almost on every project these days..... I really wish it would be addressed. (The big white rectangle is the "glass" for the scaled window symbol.) Kevin Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Still happening in VW2018 SP4. @JimW does this need to be refiled again as a new bug? Kevin Quote Link to comment
0 zoomer Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I think we already discussed a similar problem a while ago. It was about scaled Blocks from Autocad import where some parts of it ignored the scaling. And I thought the problem was found quickly and this would be fixable. But forgot about it and never re-checked that so far. So maybe that wasn't a problem about DWG or its import but a general VW problem ? Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted June 29, 2018 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted June 29, 2018 13 hours ago, Kevin McAllister said: Still happening in VW2018 SP4. @JimW does this need to be refiled again as a new bug? No, this one is still active and not marked erroneously as having been fixed. Bumping that task now though. 2 Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, JimW said: No, this one is still active and not marked erroneously as having been fixed. Bumping that task now though. Thanks for checking! Kevin Quote Link to comment
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Scaling symbols with nurbs surfaces doesn't work properly
See picture, I really hoped it was solved.
When I change the nurbs surfaces in 3D polygons it scales correctly (one part is still nurbs as you can see in the picture)
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