MRD Mark Ridgewell

High spec PC to run VW2017?

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Yes, currently multi cores will mostly only help in RW rendering.

A higher single core speed (frequency) + fast GPU with enough VRAM + fast SSD

will help for general VW experience and other standard Apps.

 

But that might change in the future.

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14 hours ago, Aspect_Design said:

Re the cores, for more top plan/3d work a higher ghz per core is better than a lower ghz 6-10 core cpu? From what I've looked into the multi cores like the broadwells really only come into their own when rendering?

 

TECHNICALLY that is correct, but these days the difference is so negligible that you would be hard pressed to notice it. You might see the difference in math/geometry calculation speed between a single 1.8 GHz core and a single 4.5 GHz core but once it gets much closer than that it becomes difficult to measure the difference really. For Renderworks renderings it is almost always better to have more cores than higher clock speed.

 

EDIT: The multi monitor performance/instability issue is a filed bug, it seems to be more common on Windows but I have seen slowdowns on Mac as well that are way more severe than would be expected for the increase in GPU load from two monitors. I will add your post to the case.

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Thanks Jim. Does the bug have a particular taste for NVidia or AMD GPU's - or is across the board? After working well on one monitor - about 8-9 hours in it crashed and on restarting VW was really sluggish. A full restart did the trick tho..

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Here's it's current state. The forum keeps rotating the photo landscape, and won't let me post in vertical.

It's amazingly quiet even with both side cases off.

I'm worried now about some of the comments in this thread re: multiple monitors.

I have had AMD cards forever, but opted for the Nvidia 1080 for this build, and now I'm worried about my 3 monitors.

Hopefully there's no issues, but I won't know until I get everything loaded up next week.

 

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The Ryzen CPU's just announced look promising - relatively fast clock over 8 cores. Based on Jims comment above the difference between the 3.6 ryzen (4ghz turbo) compared to a 6700k should be fairly negligible in the math side of things, but give RW a good nudge along with the extra 4 cores for half the cost of a comparable Intel...

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On 2/19/2017 at 6:43 PM, Aspect_Design said:

Thanks Jim. Does the bug have a particular taste for NVidia or AMD GPU's - or is across the board? After working well on one monitor - about 8-9 hours in it crashed and on restarting VW was really sluggish. A full restart did the trick tho..

 

We get issues with specific drivers from AMD or Nvidia from time to time on Mac and Windows, but the only cards we ever specifically had problems with were the aftermarket ones (I Think GeForce 9600 or 8600?) shoehorned into the 2008 Mac Pros to extend their life, but that was mainly Apple not supporting them natively.

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On 2/15/2017 at 7:13 PM, JimW said:

 

What are the graphics/GPU options on both of those machines, and what kind of work do you normally use Vectorworks for?

 

Hi Jim,

I've decided to go down the PC upgrade route for now.

Work I do is largely Interiors; so rendered models, but as part of day to day work stream (ie. not aiming at 'pro' CGI). Using 3d modelling as much as possible including model web view. Exploring 'vr' possibilities...

 

 I just ordered a 1tb SSD (crucial). UK product link:

http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/ct1050mx300ssd1

 

2 GPU's I'm looking at:

  1. Geforce GTX 1050 Ti (Asus ROG GTX 1050ti) currently £179.00 in Maplins (UK)
  2. RX 480 ROG strix currently £299.99 in Maplins (UK)

Guessing that option 2 is better. Price wise, rather go with 1 (would Maplins GTX 1070 at £449.99 be worth the extra?!). Existing GPU is Quadro 2000 so aiming for significant upgrade on that!

Went to local Maplins (electronics shop, maybe in US too) as just too many options on the web, but of course range then limited.

 

Kind Regards

Mark

 

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The RX 480 will likely last you the longest before needing another upgrade, both cards would be a good choice however with the 480 being a bit superior.

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Related to an earlier portion of the discussion, I have posted a sampling of benchmarks and a breakdown of what they mean to a user:
 

And more detailed info here:
 

Please let me know if these seem useful or if there is anything else that could be included that would make them more helpful.

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Hugely useful information, thanks.

Noticed that one of the differences between the Gtx gpu's is number/ type of display ports with gtx1060 enabling separate connection of vr headset (I think) whether that willl become useful in vw2018, 19...?

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There are quite a few VR related features in the pipe, but because of the heavy hardware requirements of running it natively, we likely won't require users run a VR environment natively like you need to do for Oculus Rift or HTC Vive gameplay. They may enhance the experience, but we are leaning towards solutions that can be accessed with more commonly available technology in a everything--you-need-is-in-the-box approach so that they can be easily passed over to clients for presentation purposes and not force viewers to use any specific hardware headsets.

I apologize for that incredibly vague answer but I can't get too specific on upcoming features yet.

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Sounds great & makes sense. So far, clients love web view even on basic models viewed on a smart phone!

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Posted (edited)

Why does VW only use one CPU core?  We should be long past that in modern CAD.  I have 8 cores waiting to be used, but VW hangs up frequently using only one.

Edited by BenG
add info, correct mistake
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50 minutes ago, BenG said:

Why does VW only use one CPU core?  We should be long past that in modern CAD.  I have 8 cores waiting to be used, but VW hangs up frequently using only one.


Only parts of Vectorworks still use a single core and eventually that problem will be solved completely. We just can't convert everything all at once, so it will be gradual.

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Posted (edited)

Hey Jim, I'm curious to know why, in general, VW does not necessarily recommend the Intel HD GPU's yet on the Quality Tested Hardware page there are a few devices listed that include said Intel GPUs. Has there been a shift in VW's opinion on these GPUs? Are they better in a PC config than a Mac config?

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3 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said:

Hey Jim, I'm curious to know why, in general, VW does not necessarily recommend the Intel HD GPU's yet on the Quality Tested Hardware page there are a few devices listed that include said Intel GPUs. Has there been a shift in VW's opinion on these GPUs?

 

That page needs to be revamped and upgraded. A simple check or no check isn't a complex enough answer to the question of a given machine's ability and this page only lists hardware which meets the bare minimum specs. Vectorworks 2017 will LAUNCH on the minimal Intel HD GPUs, but the experience leaves much to be desired.

My testing and benchmarks are mainly aimed towards showing users what hardware they should be aiming for, not just what they can scrape by with.

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