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Just for understanding :

Do Bi-Parting Casement Windows open to the outside in the US ???

That may come from a german located Tutorial, but I learned that I have

to draw Walls in CLOCKWISE direction to have correct in and out for Windows.

I realized that when I need a Sill to make the Jamb, below only, thicker,

that it points inwards !

And the Sashes open outwards when I create a new Window and set the

second insertion point outwards.

Is it correct that an positive Plan Wall Offset value will move a Window

outwards towards the insulation ?

[PVA - Admin]

This is controlled by selecting a Window in Wall or Door in Wall and clicking "Flip" in the object info palette. Or, by reversing the wall direction (Select the wall and click Reverse Sides in the OIP) if the exterior of the wall was accidentally on the interior of the model.

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Meanwhile I found a suitable Thread already existing.

https://techboard.vectorworks.net/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=221858&Searchpage=1&Main=44196&Words=sill&Search=true#Post221858

I did all you said.

Draw my Walls in clockwise direction.

(Left is always outside)

My Walls Styles seem to be ok too. Core is inside, Insulation outside.

(Core hast to be at the bottom of the Component Table)

I have a positive Offset to move the Window to the Walls outer side between

the Insulation Level.

But my Sill will always point inwards.

The only way would be to flip Wall Direction which would mean to also need to

flip my Wall Components.

Sash opening direction is no problem, I can flip this.

Just out of curiosity, they open outwards by default, so I ask if that is true in US.

[PVA - Admin]

That normally means the components were arranged backwards, they can be corrected by editing the wall style and reversing the order. What is "Outside" is wholly dependent on the order of the components in the wall style. Walls really just have a direction, they are not aware of internal and external innately.

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What I wanted to achieve is that the lower Jamb Element is thicker than the

Rest of the Jamb to cover the Finish Floor Package.

As no individual Thicknesses possible I tried to workaround with a Sill that

has the Thickness of the Jamb only.

For me it looks like the Sill is pointing to the wrong direction when using an

positive offset from Wall Axis.

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That normally means the components were arranged backwards, they can be corrected by editing the wall style and reversing the order.

So you think my Wall Styles are mixed up ?

They look same as VW default Wall Styles.

If Walls Left is always outside, thy fit fine.

[PVA - Admin]

When you reverse the order of the components and then reverse the wall direction, what happens?

Edited May 17, 2016 by JimW

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Then it would work for the Sill.

If I flip my Wall Direction the Sill is at the outer Side of the Wall.

I had to flip also my Wall Components and assign a negative Offset to the Windows.

But that would contradict to the Clockwise drawing directions.

Maybe I misunderstand the Preview image for the Sill in the Window Tool.

For me, the different Timber/Masonry Styles look like it is meant that the Sill

is always (main parts of it) outside of the Window.

[CipesDesign]

IMO this has always been somewhat messed up and unintuitive. It was made worse with the introduction of wall styles. That said, I have doubts that it will ever be actually deconstructed and reconstructed so that it makes more logical sense. Too much code on code on code action. But maybe I'm just being pessimistic...

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I'm currently just not sure who does something wrong.

Me or VW.

Anyway,

could there be there any small hint if the 2017 Update may include,

under its currently NDA Features not introduced so far,

for improvements of Architectural Features, like done once with the stair tool,

any chance the Door/Window Tools could be upgraded to the ones used by a

localized Version of VW that is done in Central Europe, or maybe not ?

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Still two questions open,

Peter please enlighten me.

1. Do Bi-Parting Casement Windows open to the outside in the US ?

(Not sure but I think that may happen in the UK)

I think you normally use "single hung" Windows ?

2. Did I get the meaning of "Sills" right ?

Here in Germany we have normally 2 of them.

One is called Fenstersims (Sill) that is outside, and the

other is called Fensterbrett (Window Board) or Fensterbank (Window Bench)

that is inside.

As the Thumbnail in Window Tool shows a slope I would expect "Sill" is meant

to be at the outer side too. Is this correct ?

[CipesDesign]

Hi Zoomer, Yes, here in the US bi-parting casements do (usually) open to the exterior. I have bruises and scars to prove it ;-)

In VW's I believe the terminology used is SILLS on the exterior and STOOLS on the interior (see attached screenshot). It's always been somewhat annoying to work in these dialogs, but if I create one window the way I want it, then I can just duplicate it and change the other (size, i.e.) settings as desired.

[PS: have you ever called your local furniture store and asked them if they have any stool samples?]

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Hi Zoomer, Yes, here in the US bi-parting casements do (usually) open to the exterior. I have bruises and scars to prove it ;-)

Thanks !

But helps to not throw the plants down from your "Stool".

My Problem is, when I set Stool Lip (7.) to 0,00

my Sill will still start from the inside of the wall.

(So not even touching my Jamb, until I give Depth (4.) nearly Wall Depth)

[CipesDesign]

Yes, I get it. One of the (few) reasons that this particular dialog annoys me.

Any, hey, usually what we do is grow plants in that space, to avoid walking there. But there are many instances (even one at my house) in which no one even considered it. I suppose one might also place a large kitty litter box there??

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In Germany generally the only meaning of stools is to store all kind

of pot plants or decorative elements to prevent the use of windows

for air exchange. Especially in rooms like bath or kitchen.

Happens in the best housholds.

https://fimoniandmore.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/pflanzen3.jpg

If our Windows would open to the exterior I'm sure they would use the Sill

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I managed to get the desired result misusing the Masonry Option !

I now have a kind of Frame Doubling at the bottom Jamb.

This allows me to pull the Walls Window Niche down further while keeping

overall Jamb Thickness low and to run the Finish Floor Package until the

inner Window Border into the Window Niche.

Not sure,

but maybe the Sill Implementation makes sense as it currently is,

as Sill and Stool are thought to use the whole Wall Depth by default.

Edited May 17, 2016 by zoomer

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Ouch,

no, that does not cut a complete Window Hole in the Wall under

the actual Window Niche.

There is about a 8 cm piece of Wall peaking in from the sides,

behind that Sill (!?)

[SVA Architects]

Flip the walls not the windows.  The windows will follow as they are fixed by the wall orientation.