Depth level for "show others in groups"

[grant_PD]

I wish that if I grouped two extrudes, and then edited one of them, that when I "showed others while in groups" I only saw the objects inside of that group. Right now, the whole world appears, making editing very tricky.

[Jonathan Pickup]

that would be a nice addition

[Kevin McAllister]

Yes, please +1

KM

[PVA - Admin]

Submitting request now.

[grant_PD]

I would like to see this implemented into the workspace next to the buttons for zoom line thickness et al. It could be a series of buttons that one could push to get the desired depth of the view, depending up on how nested the group was.

[Kevin McAllister]

How about one button that cycles through a couple of layers of depth?

KM

[PVA - Admin]

I imagine it would be best paired with the wish for the "breadcrumb" system to track the levels of a container object you are currently in. Not only could you click on various levels of containers in the breadcrumb string across the top, but also use that UI to determine how many levels out/up you would see "external" objects.

[Kevin McAllister]

I would still prefer a method, ideally a key command, that cycles through various states of depth. Then you could concentrate on the drawing and what you're seeing in the drawing window rather than trying to decipher a series of small icons.

KM

[PVA - Admin]

I'll put in for that as well. I was thinking a toggle key might not be ideal because of how MANY layers of containers I see users implement pretty regularly, but you're right it's probably more common for it to only be 3-4 layers deep and toggling through them would be just fine.

[Bas Vellekoop]

The breadcrumbs string would be my preferred way of working +1

[zoomer]

Interesting idea.

A numerical feedback like "Exit (8th Level from 24 of your) Solid Addition"

for the exit button itself would be great.

First, to show people what they are doing with their "Add Solid History" and similar.

Second, to keep overview of wanted temporary Group/Mesh Conversion Actions

to organize or heal geometry.

[Benson Shaw]

All good thoughts.

The breadcrumb idea helps experienced users navigate a nest.

New users might find it hard to comprehend if they are not familiar with multiple levels of containment. So makes the program more arcane, more difficult to learn.

The toggle button (and the bread crumb) requires mouse to/from the button which can interfere with drawing actions.

Key command for Toggle up/down in the nest is also useful.

+1 for implement the breadcrumb trail,the toggle button, and keys for both.

But I want to test all this before it replaces the current, slower nest review via multiple dbl click to enter a container or level and the button to exit a level.

Also, are we going to run out of one handed or easy keystroke shortcuts? We should reserve the easiest ones for common or usual actions. Letting go of the mouse is a slowdown. The 4 finger salutes are fun to think about, but are usually impossible with one hand. 5 keys anyone? Anyway, there are probably a few 1 and 2 key shortcuts still available (k? y?).

Voice commands? - Siri! Toggle through the nest until I say "stop". Display level indicator.

-B

[Kevin McAllister]

Is there a visual mock of the breadcrumb idea? I'm not sure I entirely understand it. If its like the structure tree in C4D I can see other applications for it beyond setting visibility depth as described in this thread.

KM

[PVA - Admin]

I see a number of practical applications for something like it, i cant find my original at the moment but this was the general idea, perhaps something a little less bulky UI-size wise though:

[img:center]https://techboard.vectorworks.net/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=14444&filename=breadcrumb%20mockup.jpg[/img]

The idea being that you could easily choose what level to which you wanted to back out to, as opposed to the current two ways which are to go ALL the way back out or just one level back. This would also envelop other complex container-like objects such as Solid Addition/Subtractions, as well as situations where you're editing design layers from within viewports within referenced viewports and so on.

If the visibility element were brought in, I could see hotkey-clicking on a specific crumb to show or hide that level of geometry, or right clicking and selecting it from that crumb button as a choice something like the following:

"Show this containers geometry"

"Hide this containers geometry"

"Show ONLY this containers geometry"

[Kevin McAllister]

Thank Jim. That makes sense. Take a look at the Adobe Illustrator version of this. I like that its a band across the top. The floating Exit Symbol button often gets in the way on a smaller screen.

+1

Kevin