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"3D" vs "Symbol Definition" Planes


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I have 3D symbols consisting of planar objects.

In some of the symbols, the planar objects are in the "Symbol Definition" Plane, according to the OIP. In both Top and Top/Plan views, they have grips and can be manipulated.

In some of the symbols, the planar objects are in the "3D" Plane. In Top view, they have grips, but in Top/Plan view they don't, and so can't be manipulated.

In Vectorworks 2015, these same planar objects in the "3D" plane DID have grips...

What is the difference between the "Symbol Definition" and the "3D" planes, and why are grips no longer available in all cases in VW 2016?... (VWIS060)

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