Disappearing Title Block

[dancraig]

Hey all,

Odd one: when I update the data in a title block, the title block disappears.

The Obj Info tab still has the settings for the title block showing, suggesting it's still there but not visible.

I'm not making any changes to the classes or formatting, just updating the data.

I've tried removing the title block completely and re-adding it, but the problem re-occurs.

Any help gratefully received.

Dan

[bcd]

When I hear the word 'disappearing' I invariably think 'invisible class'

As a starting point try turning on every class in the document (undo is our friend if you don't create a saved view first)

[rDesign]

There was another thread about this recently, I don't know that it was ever resolved.

Titleblocks Vanishing

Edited October 20, 2016 by rDesign

[dancraig]

Thanks both. I've tried playing around with it but no success.

The odd thing for me is that I'm not changing classes to make it disappear - I'm updating a database.

Maybe something to do with the classes embedded in the title block - will keep playing and report back.

[rDesign]

The original poster in that other thread also said that all the classes were on: Two completely unrelated occurrences is starting to sound like a bug to me.

Keep us posted - good luck.

[dancraig]

A machine restart has cured the problem... still very odd.

Will let you know if any re-occurrence.

Dan

[PVA - Admin]

Will let you know if any re-occurrence.

Please!

[AlanW]

I have recently found that when things dissapear you can still select then but appear transparent so I change then to another class that's on then back to the original class and they become visible again.

Also if the roof wont turn off sometimes I found if you rotate it to 3d its gone but back to 2d it appears. I flip to 3d and turn the roof class on and off and then when you go back to 2d they are off.

Strange behaviour.

[dancraig]

I haven't been able to make this bug (?) reoccur since my last posts for what it's worth...

[Markus Barrera-Kolb]

I've had all of my sheet border objects and title blocks disappear from one of my current VW2016 files – I can see them when I query for them in a custom selection of worksheet database row, but I can't select them and I can't see them in the drawing. Not a class or class visibility issue, I've quadruple-checked that.

[Josh NZ]

Ive had a similar issue when I renamed the base symbol that the title block uses. Didn't fully disappear but a very light grey text box shows up somewhere on the page advising that the titleblock can't use the symbol from memory.

[Andy Broomell]

Today I witnessed a colleague's title block disappear when trying to edit it, as described above. It didn't appear to be a class issue (all were on), and it didn't appear to have anything to do with the Symbol's name or location in the Resource Browser (which would've been my first guess).

The weird thing is the entire Sheet Border object disappears, not just the Title Block portion. Not sure what's happening...

[Markus Barrera-Kolb]

That's exactly right – the whole sheet border object disappears, and if it's anything like what we're experiencing, it'll still show up in the object count when you do a custom selection or run a database row in a worksheet... In one word: VEXING!

[L0rriel]

I am experiencing the same issue. My custom title block vanishes on a regular basis, and did so in VW2015 as well. It is definitely not a classes issue. It occurs when I edit the 2D symbol, but occasionally happens when populating or editing the fields. I recently noticed that sometimes when this happens the sheet border symbol is still in the resource browser but that the record format associated with the symbol has vanished. I am not certain if this is always the case.

[DMLA]

Any news on a solution for this? I am having exactly the same issue. All information associated with the title block disappears, the title block border disappears and it also moves location. This happens every time I attempt to edit both the 2D component or any of the information fields.

 

 

[Bear Dizzle]

I've seen a couple of posts on this issue but have not seen a resolution so I thought I would repost.

 

I'm having issues with a disappearing sheet border. Anytime I update the border (either through the issue manager, object info palette, or even renaming a sheet layer through the layer manager) the sheet border will disappear. It still shows up as selected in the object info palette but if I were to hit escape and then select all, the sheet border will not be in the selection set. 

 

Now, if I completely shut down my computer (not restart and not just quitting VW) then reopen the file the problem temporarily goes away, but then comes right back the next time I open the file. 

 

Any thoughts?

 

[RussU]

Yes.... I've had this problem since 2014...

 

It's not that the border has dissapeared as such, it's just mysteriously become HUUUUGGGGGEEEE!!!

Try (while keeping the border selected) to do a "zoom all" (ctrl+num6 on pc) and you should zoom out a load and see your massive border with a teeny tiny page in the middle.

go to the oip, and select (for arguments' sake) page size A2, and then back to your original size and it should snap back into normal position, quick as a flash.

 

Just as a head's up though, I reported this issue in 2014, 2015, 2016 and now you say 2017 also? Interesting that it's still un-patched.

 

If you do end up getting really bored, swearing and doing that trick over again, I found that a nice cup of tea, while playing with the other tools that are cool but you'll never use helps you forget about the borders. It's not like you use borders all the time? I mean... a sense of perspective needed, people!!!

 

I must admit, this problem faded into insignificance when I had a lot of steel arrive on site with errors because of a silly tool fault.

The client stopped calling me and as such they never heard about my "software problems" again!!!

 

Perhaps if you cancel your clients, you won't have the sheet border problem again.

I've learned that not drawing anything and playing Flight Simulator instead tends to reduce the error ratios a lot, and gives you a nice sense of achievement.

 

The sheet border error actually helped me learn to land flawlessy on an aircraft carrier in the fog with a strong cross wind....   nice..

 

Dear VW.... Please don't fix the old border issue or any of the other buggy and painful tool errors until the new year... I'm so close to mastering how to land a 747 in a windy 1980's Hong Kong.

Edited October 19, 2016 by RussU

[Bear Dizzle]

Thanks for the reply but no luck. I tried zooming to all and nothing happened. I manually zoomed way out and still nothing. One new development however, it seems I can now recreate the problem on demand. When you select "edit issue data" on the OIP it opened up the issue data dialogue box, now if I hit the esc key to close out that box the sheet border disappears and anytime I touch it with any  other tool after that it disappears. 

 

[PVA - Admin]

Post a file with that title block please and I can take a closer look. It can just be the title block on its own if that causes the same problem on your end. I was unable to replicate it here but with title blocks there are a lot of variables to check.

[Bear Dizzle]

Hi Jim, 

 

Please see attached. This is the title block we are using. I removed several design layers and sheet layers to get the file down to size. 

 

14055-Master.vwx

[PVA - Admin]

This looks live a Vectorworks 2015 file, what version of Vectorworks are you currently using?

[Bear Dizzle]

VW 2015. We're supposed to be transitioning to 2016 in the next few weeks. 

 

[PVA - Admin]

I'm not able to replicate the disappearing in 2016 or 2017, if you get a chance to use the demo of the latest version let me know if you can replicate the issue there:

 

http://www.vectorworks.net/trial/form

[Andy Broomell]

Here's a thread which is perhaps related?  I don't think there was resolution though.

 

 

[PVA - Admin]

Merging similar thread, this is now an active bug being tracked.

 

VB-129003

[Taproot]

I have a worksheet that catalogs the drawing border for inclusion in my drawing index.  I noticed a corruption of my template file where a number of "ghost" borders would appear in the index.  They represented titleblocks that had disappeared and were uneditable.  It made the drawing index unusable.

 

On August 2nd (this year), I finally followed up with Joseph Block (tech support) to get some help.  He was able to fix it on his end and my file is healthy again.  I assume the file and his solution are in your database somewhere and may assist you in correcting the problem.