Tobias Kern Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 hi, it would be very usefull to setup a objekt with "always back" or "always front" command. if we move a objekt backwards it should be laying one layer over the "always back"-objekts. same with the "always front" objekts. new drawed objekt should be one layer below the "always front" objekts and same with moved to front objekts. maybe this could be done if the basic construciton- or layout-layers are out of the scratch separated in three under-layers. 1. always front (for overlaying objekt) 2. normal (for normal drawings) 3. always back (for underlaying objekts, for example: pictures, pdfs, ...) this technic could reduce the layer-count in the layer-menu cheers Quote Link to comment
0 VincentCuclair Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 https://techboard.vectorworks.net/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=36929&Number=182124#Post182124 Quote Link to comment
0 zoomer Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 The thing I noticed is that there are more than one "back". I use that object layering for visibility issues in plan view only, I do no layouts. "Send to back" CMD+B of new drawn objects did not show the older objects. I realized that doing CMD+B a couple of times showed them finally. Strange, everything on one Layer. Should not be related to class order as it is alphabetically and non controllable. Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted May 11, 2015 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted May 11, 2015 Submitting request now, linking to other thread as well. Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 While I like the concept, I am worried that it starts to make things very complicated to troubleshoot. I think we should also consider layer grouping (folders) or sublayers instead of this. Often send to front / send to back are used for other reasons other than stacking 2d elements (ie. they also affect 3d objects). I suppose it could be as simple as an "always on top/bottom" checkbox in the OIP. Kevin Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted May 11, 2015 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted May 11, 2015 I think either a combination of a checkbox displaying the stacking, or a prompt that offers to remove those stacking settings after the user changing stacking orders a few times in a row (Sort of a "frustration detection" idea for the UI some of us have been kicking around) may get around it. I also initially felt it might become confusing, but there certainly seems to be enough desire for the feature to give it a good hard look. Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I see this causing so many problems. I do see offices using a design layer for Always front objects to solve this issue - which is a dissatisfying workaround. Maybe it could be class controlled? Maybe certain classes could be set to have a Z value - like layers - so these special classes can be stacked to give a hierarchy. Quote Link to comment
0 RickR Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Let's separate 2D overlapping from 3D Z position. I see them as wholly different and for different purposes. Quote Link to comment
0 Tobias Kern Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 hi, i often have problems with dimensions and ledger lines/guides, they get overlapped so many times it draw new stuff. if we could have invisible sublayers for all regular layers we could solve such problems 1. layer (invisible sublayer in the layer-menu) for dimensions (always first layer, unchangeable by user) 2. layer (invisible sublayer in the layer-menu) for ledger lines/guides (always second layer, unchangeable by user) 3. layer (invisible sublayer in the layer-menu) for all overlapping the regular drawings (set by user, if needed) 4. layer (visible in the layer-menu) for regular drawings 5. layer (invisible sublayer in the layer-menu) for all under the regular drawings (set by user, if needed) so, we only have 2 options to define for our drawn stuff: 1 one up: to overlapping sublayer 2 nothing: (by default) the standard sublayer for regular drawings 3 one down: to underlaying sublayer dimensions and guides are always above 1, 2 and 3 if we couln't have custom sublayers, please fulfill only the "dimensions always front" wish! cheers Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) This makes me think there should be an "always on top" checkbox associated with a class instead of a layer. The groupings you're talking about are class definitions in my drawings (ie. class for dimensions). This might be a really good way to deal with this. As a side note, personally I would never have a "sublayer" for dimensions because I never use dimensions in the design layers. Dimensions only occur in the annotations of Sheet Layer Viewports in my drawings because I model entirely in 3D in the Design Layers. KM Edited June 14, 2015 by Kevin McAllister Quote Link to comment
0 Tom Klaber Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 You are right. It was poorly worded - coming from my web design side where z-value is a setting used to establish a visual hierarchy. What I meant I think was just expressed more clearly - that this would be a class setting - where you could establish a hierarchy. I guess "Always On Top" could work and then it would just default back to object creation order for conflicts between objects both scheduled to be always on top. Quote Link to comment
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Tobias Kern
hi,
it would be very usefull to setup a objekt with "always back"
or "always front" command.
if we move a objekt backwards it should be
laying one layer over the "always back"-objekts.
same with the "always front" objekts.
new drawed objekt should be one layer below the "always front"
objekts and same with moved to front objekts.
maybe this could be done if the basic construciton- or layout-layers
are out of the scratch separated in three under-layers.
1. always front (for overlaying objekt)
2. normal (for normal drawings)
3. always back (for underlaying objekts, for example: pictures, pdfs, ...)
this technic could reduce the layer-count in the layer-menu
cheers
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