zoomer Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Can somebody confirm/explain why that stair will crash VW 2015 when you try to switch from Top View to Isometric View ??? Quote Link to comment
Horst M. Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 no problem with the file on my system Quote Link to comment
jnr Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Sorry to be a pessimist, but the stair tool continues to be a crashmatic poorly written piece of code. I'm having issues again (takes 10-15 seconds to open the custom stair). Will also crash randomly. Unfortunately the more the file crashes, the more corrupted the backup files become, the less stable the file. Its frankly ridiculous. NNA needs to include some sort of diagnostic/repair routine with the program so we can at least see what is the broken component de jour. People have been screaming for years to replace the lipstick on a pig excuse for a stair interface that was forced on us 7 versions ago. We have two stair modules and there ought to be one. Again, I would trade stability for bling, bells and whistles and pay more for it, if there were an option. Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 Unfortunately the more the file crashes, the more corrupted the backup files become, the less stable the file. Its frankly ridiculous. NNA needs to include some sort of diagnostic/repair routine with the program so we can at least see what is the broken component de jour. +1 no problem with the file on my system WTH It works again here too with that clean file !? I did not restart my Mac Pro since but I think a complete App crash counts as an App restart - but it works now. Unfortunately I tried the Stair in my working file and it immediately crashed again after View Change. Quote Link to comment
Kizza Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 People have been screaming for years to replace the lipstick on a pig excuse for a stair interface that was forced on us 7 versions ago. The stair sketch based approach used by other CAD program/s is the direction I would like to see the stair tool go. Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 I copied my whole geometry in a blank file. Of course it crashed with the stair visible but I realized it can crash also with stair invisible but a PDF as a drawing aid (snap on) visible. As I see rescuing data by importing everything possible into a new drawing means loss off : - folder structure for symbols - all view ports - all references and referenced geometry - stories - all saved views And does not solve the problem. Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 It works for changing View sometimes. But it crashes when I try to edit the Stair. (BTW All Wireframe only) For me there has to be a problem with Stair tool. I invite everybody to play a little with that stair and change some settings. I realized some strange things when creating that stair : - previews where not working - I set stringer offsets top an bottom. When changing top stringer offset, bottom stringer offset changed to that value too. And it seems to slow down OS X screen windows graphics before crashing. (F.e. when changing Spaces) Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted February 24, 2015 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted February 24, 2015 Sorry to be a pessimist, but the stair tool continues to be a crashmatic poorly written piece of code. I'm having issues again (takes 10-15 seconds to open the custom stair). Will also crash randomly. Unfortunately the more the file crashes, the more corrupted the backup files become, the less stable the file. Its frankly ridiculous. NNA needs to include some sort of diagnostic/repair routine with the program so we can at least see what is the broken component de jour. People have been screaming for years to replace the lipstick on a pig excuse for a stair interface that was forced on us 7 versions ago. We have two stair modules and there ought to be one. Again, I would trade stability for bling, bells and whistles and pay more for it, if there were an option. You won't see me defending the Stair or Custom Stair Tool. We aren't friends, we're barely on speaking terms. The Stair tool needs ALL the functionality that was provided by the older Custom Stair (Formerly known as Stair) and a better UI. Have many of you worked with the Curtain Wall tool? Would a more manual interface like that where you can modify steps and various 2d/3d stair components directly be more useful? The stair sketch based approach used by other CAD program/s is the direction I would like to see the stair tool go. Could you link me to an example image/vid? I'll take a look. Quote Link to comment
VincentCuclair Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Edited February 24, 2015 by Vincent C Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted February 24, 2015 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted February 24, 2015 Thank you sir! Quote Link to comment
Kizza Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Thanks Vincent EDIT: Got a demo booked in with my Archicad rep end of march. Stair creation and railing creation are close to being top of my list... Edited February 24, 2015 by Kizza Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Have many of you worked with the Curtain Wall tool? Would a more manual interface like that where you can modify steps and various 2d/3d stair components directly be more useful? I played just a little. So far it looked very cool. Did not use it in production as I currently need full control over created geometry in my project. What I want from stair tool is a WYSIWYG version of the actual stair in context. Just like editing a Symbol from a design layer. With instant feedback when editing numerical values. And of course I prefer these architectural setting tools to open in parts of a second like in the videos above. BTW The stair repaired itself. Also I was able to delete my Ghost View Ports after deleting some others, that weren't need anymore as I took all referenced geometry in the working file meanwhile. Could be that the latest and worst problems with my file came from a scaled PDF with snapping enabled. (The sketch for that stair) Currently my file works smooth and VW doesn't look anymore like the crash monster as it has been for the last weeks since I have my new Mac Pro with Yosemite. Quote Link to comment
ydatal Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I have not had a single success when using the stair tool with 2015! It is a horrible experience to have to continually force quit the program. If I create a stair and then go to the geometry window, I can not close out of the stair tool (I can't save nor cancel to get out of the stair tool). My only way getting out of the stair tool is to force quite the program. I'm on a iMac 11,3 - 2.8 GHz with quad core i5 processor - ATI Radeon HD 5750 1024 MB running OS 10.9.5 I only have 8GB RAM - would that have an effect? I would think it might not be as fast, but should still work! Oh, and I can't get the stair tool to work on my Macbook Pro either, which runs Yosemiti. Same issues. Edited February 26, 2015 by ydatal Quote Link to comment
Jim Smith Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Jim I am really glad to hear you speak candidly about the Stair PIOs. We only use these for some early geometry & Section references. This has been the case since about VW 8 or 9. Quote Link to comment
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