VincentCuclair Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 It is currently not possible to trim objects using the Break Line (created with the Break Line Tool) I would like to see this introduced, please. Quote Link to comment
0 VincentCuclair Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Obviously allowing the Connect/Combine Tool to function on it would be desirable too. Edited December 10, 2014 by Vincent C Quote Link to comment
0 VincentCuclair Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) While we're/you're at it, how about introducing some Split Tool functionality into the Break Line Tool this would save the most time.......something like this: Edited December 10, 2014 by Vincent C Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I would love things to crop to the break line (including around the break shapes) when using them in sheet layer viewports (or in sheet layer viewport crop?). Not sure how that would work exactly.... but ideally you would draw the break line in annotations and click on a side, VW would do the rest.... Kevin Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted December 10, 2014 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 10, 2014 For the connect/combining, I had assumed it worked as simple geometry. It works if you ungroup it, but that shouldn't be required for something so simple. Submitting request now. For the cropping, would crops need to allow a standard crop object in addition to allowing the one-side breakline as well? Currently they can only have one object for the crop and I see issues if only a "everything to one side of the breakline" was permitted as the crop... EDIT: Nevermind, I see that it would pretty much have to be in addition to another "regular" crop object. Submitting now. Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Jim, couldn't it just be an "add surface" calculation with an existing crop. I build weird crop objects all the time including what I'm describing.... Kevin Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee PVA - Admin Posted December 10, 2014 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 10, 2014 I had been thinking more along the lines of something like this: [img:center]https://techboard.vectorworks.net/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=11610&filename=break%20line%20crop.PNG[/img] Where the user could add a breakline in addition to a crop, then pick the desired side. This was assuming that you would want to do something like duplicate the viewport, then be able to pick the opposing side as well and change . But allowing Break Line to be part of Add Surface or Compose operations would be simpler. I'll clarify in the request. Quote Link to comment
0 VincentCuclair Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Well, in these parts a double break line is custom in the situation above so perhaps an option for this can be added too. (the break line works as it is now but normally we only use a straight dash dotted line for breaks so while you're at it perhaps some options for customizing the actual line?!) Edited December 15, 2014 by Vincent C Quote Link to comment
0 zoomer Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 but normally we only use a straight dash dotted line for breaks so while you're at it perhaps some options for customizing the actual line? Here too. Quote Link to comment
0 Benson Shaw Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) +1 for breakline trims objects. I think any of the means discussed could be OK. I assume most do the following, but I here is a workaround for those needing it: 1. For breaklined areas of a design layer: A Viewport crop can be drawn as a rectangular poly with a zigzag on one, several or all sides. Draw zigzag side with the Breakline Tool, configure it via OIP, then Cmd K to convert it to Poly. Dupe and rotate as nec, draw additional lines to close the poly. Compose. Copies of this poly can be placed on a design layer to surround areas and used as crop objects for Sheet Layer VPs. In the VP edit, use Reshape to Hide crop edges as needed. The resulting sheet layer has all the cropped views. Aligned and locate as required. The series of VPs appears trimmed to the zigzags. These polys can be saved as Symbols. Cmd K to convert the Symbol instance to a Polyline. 2. For making a break line, eg in VP annotations, that appears to trim the object: Create a closed rectangular Poly with zigzags on opposite sides. Give it a fill same as drawing background. Place it over area represented by the break. Hide edges as needed. -B Edited December 16, 2014 by Benson Shaw Quote Link to comment
0 VincentCuclair Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 When it comes to using VPs where break lines are necessary one would expect the Detail VPs to handle this type of functionality?! Quote Link to comment
0 Kevin McAllister Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Good explanation Benson. And Vincent, I think the answer to your question is yes, they should be able to. I'm not sure how though as VW approaches things in a very linear way and what you're describing is not.... KM Quote Link to comment
0 bc Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Having long been requested Matt Panzer (PanzerCAD-everybody buy Camera Match) worked up a plugin called Break Line Poly (I think)a long time ago. I have it working fine in vw2012 but have since not transferred it. Matt's Break Line Poly tool creates pretty much what Benson so expertly worked around with one operation. Quite editable and it was free from Matt's site: PanzerCAD or maybe even from the archives of VectorDepot. Saved me a bundle of fussing. Even so, it should be offered native and with features above. It's an important tool. Don't know if it still is available or works with 2014 or 2015. Matt? You there? If you will permit, I can attach my copy from my plugins folder. Edited December 16, 2014 by bc Quote Link to comment
0 Patrick Fritsch Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I tried getting Matt's plugin to work but was unsuccessful in 2015? it gave me a error message when dragged onto VW window. Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted December 18, 2014 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 18, 2014 I was wondering why my ears were ringing... The Vectorworks Freebies page on my site as been "under construction" (or under pre-construction) for some time. While I still plan to work on the page, I went ahead and placed the Break Poly plug-in for download. I just reworked the Break Poly plug-in and the "PanzerCAD Break Poly 2009" download should now work in VW 2009 and later. Please let me know if you find otherwise. PanzerCAD's Free Vectorworks Stuff Enjoy! :-) Quote Link to comment
0 bc Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 What a guy! Thanks Matt Everybody buy Camera Match BUT this does not obviate the original post by Vincent which was to trim objects via the break line. A good workaround though. Quote Link to comment
0 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted December 19, 2014 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 19, 2014 Thanks for the kind words bc. As for everyone buying CameraMatch, I think that's a solid recommendation! :-P I also do agree that it would be nice to have the ability to trim to a break line. Quote Link to comment
0 Gilbert Osmond Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Bumping this feature request. It should be trivial to trim a wall object to a break line (without ungrouping or decomposing anything) but it seems it's still not. Quote Link to comment
0 lgoodkind Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Just wondering why the breakline tool can't respond to 2D polyline inner boundary fill tool or trim tool? I guess we are supposed to explode them every time we use them? Is that the intent? Edited March 8, 2019 by lgoodkind 2 Quote Link to comment
0 Jim Smith Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Yeah, this comes up every so often; as I remeber I was reminded of when I posted this about VW 2014 or so. Quote Link to comment
0 Wesley Burrows Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) Here we are in 2020 now and this still isn't a thing. Edited April 15, 2020 by Wesley Burrows Quote Link to comment
0 Matt Overton Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 What if instead of trimming the object just had a masking object built in? Everyone loves a workaround. 😉 2 Quote Link to comment
0 Jim Smith Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 @Matt Overton I have a 2D symbol that does just that. 🙈 Quote Link to comment
0 Taproot Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Yes, this tool already exists. I received permission from the author and have posted the plugin elsewhere on the board. You can get a copy of it here: 2 Quote Link to comment
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It is currently not possible to trim objects using the Break Line (created with the Break Line Tool) I would like to see this introduced, please.
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