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Bruce Kieffer

Plumbing Pipe Fittings

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I need to draw some 3D plumbing pipe with fittings. I took a quick look at the MEP, Fasteners, and Detailing Tool sets and I don't see what I need. Is there a library of plumbing pipe fittings for the resource browser?

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I don't know any good resource

I built my own, the script is a bit rough so not really for general public.

If other users think this looks like a good tool, I would be happy to give it to NA to develop properly.

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What does the VW pipping run tool do? The icon indicates that it makes 3D pipe, but I can?t get it to do that.

Assembly,

Thanks for the link. Making the pipe is less of a concern to me than making the fittings, and that tool seems like overkill for my needs.

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Pipping run has been there for a long time. I think it is supposed to be used as a mark up tool. It is not 3D as far as I can tell.

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Yes Bruce a piping tool that generates 3D can be set for size and type and also set invert of pipe at beginning, end and at intervals would be a massively wonderfully addition.

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digitalmechanics,

Great presentation! This is absolutely a tool that NA needs to add to VW. What was the response you received from them when you sent your presentation?

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at the time, it was mentioned that as set of 3d constraints would need to be developed before doing something like this. keep in mind that this was not in any way an official response. just someone musing

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Wow, four years ago. Has there been any developments here? I'm looking for exactly what that digitalmechanics video layed out.

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since then I have developed my own library of pipe fittings & just build all my runs manually...

any tool would need to accommodate any symbol vs having a set of fittings to pick from...this ability to insert fittings would make it universal..

by using the 3d space navigator with the VGM (working in perspective) I have been putting together piping systems for a few years and gotten comfortable with it...

placing a slope in a pipe system is still the killer problem...it can be done but you really need to think about it...

 

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3d models from McMaster Carr

 

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SDR35 Pipe above (models made by careful research of product information)

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ABS N-12 Pipe above  (models made by careful research of product information)

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a argument AGAINST a piping tool is if you have parts of the pipe run with special fabrication...

note the images below & ask yourself:

How would this fit into a piping tool?

When making a BOM how do separate straight runs with the special fabrications?

The straight runs are labeled with orange.  all others are products, vendor or fab

Also note the Fernco fittings Q13...How would they work with a pipe tool?

 

So in hindsight. I would not use a pipe tool for most of my work...

 

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the image below would not be included in the over all pipe order since it is now a product of the fabrication shop...that is their concern and you just order the product..

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This now leads me to a fundamental discovery...the more precise the model is the more you can get out of it...so when I do direct modeling (symbols snapped to other symbols) ...I get exactly what I want with no fussing about later...

 

the key to success is having the proper tools for symbol management...such as:

1. Make vps directly from symbols with no need to place symbols on layers to make vp

2. Have "playlists" and not folders in the resource library.  this would allow you to have a symbol in several playlist.  Ex "playlist Phase 1"  "playlist fabrication"

3. Have the ability to do subtractions of symbols..this would allow you to make "symbol products" then when you cut a hole in it the computer will still count that you need that original product (realizing that you order the product BUT cut a hole in it latter in the field)

         

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Also it seems like with the invention of the VGM and the 3d space navigator these fundamental items have eliminated the need for a pipe tool...

 

This is worth noting because the VGM/3d Connexion benefit all disciplines whereas a piping tool would be for a select few...

 

the 80/20 rule seems to be applicable here...so keep focusing on the core 20%

 

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