willofmaine Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Can't be done, right? If you try to copy a viewport in one file and paste it into another, you get a warning confirming that this is the case. But... I just copied a Group containing a Viewport from one file to another, and, it actually worked! So I experimented with both a regular VP and a section VP, and both could be copied if part of a group. The section VP needed to have a design layer re-assigned to it, but then it had no trouble generating a section of the model in the second file. Am I completely missing something?... It would be great if this works like it seems to... (VW 2008) 1 Quote Link to comment
Bryan G. Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Very interesting! please keep us posted. Quote Link to comment
Itchy Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 interesting.... works with a basic drawing, will have to test with a more complex drawing file... Quote Link to comment
Itchy Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Just had to do this as i had decomposed a section view port but forgot to duplicate before doing, and i wanted to keep the live section in case i required it again. Open a back up file from 15minutes ago, grouped the section view port, copied & paste in place to current file, re selected the correct layer for it to look to and the section line instance. Clicked update and bam, view port copied from another file and works.... Quote Link to comment
Bryan G. Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Way to cool, I will try this tonight. Quote Link to comment
Itchy Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I'm not sure why this hasn't had a view more people looking at it, this has worked each time i have tried it and i was just able to copy a whole bunch of detail view ports between files in a minute. Quote Link to comment
atari2600 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 This has worked ever since viewports came out (Version 11, I think). For some reason, the folks at VW haven't really paid any attention to this workaround and have always said you can't copy viewports amongst files. Quote Link to comment
VectorGeek Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 That is awesome. Now using it. Thanks! V-G - CAD User since MiniCAD+4 - Taunter of Petri since 2007 - Athletic supporter Quote Link to comment
Tim Harland Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Just a quick update - it seems this has been 'fixed' in VW 2015 at least, shame as it was a very useful feature. Quote Link to comment
J. Wallace Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) I just tried to copy a viewport from one file to another and I get the following message...I've never had success doing this and would love to be able to. What am I missing? Edited November 25, 2015 by J. Wallace Quote Link to comment
bcd Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Try grouping it first Quote Link to comment
Guest Wes Gardner Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Here's the issue...anything that is model-based goes away when you update the viewport. Any annotations will stay however... Quote Link to comment
willofmaine Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 Is the ability to copy and paste viewports from one file to another now officially supported? When I try it, it's not necessary to first group the viewport, and there's no error message. It seems the pasted viewport will automatically add all of the classes from its original file to the target file, and will even preserve visibilities, overrides, and even advanced properties, all along with the viewport's annotations. Design layers are (as is reasonable and expected) entirely ignored. I ask because it looks like Legacy 2D Features can't be eliminated from my 2021 Template when it's opened in Vectorworks 2022 (see https://forum.vectorworks.net/index.php?/topic/90721-turn-off-screen-plane-really/#comment-414920 ) and so I guess I will need to re-create my template from scratch in VW 2022. I have a large collection of master viewports that it would be nice to just copy over... VWIS222 Related thread in which this question is discussed: https://forum.vectorworks.net/index.php?/topic/35046-copypaste-viewports/#comment-173802 Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 31 minutes ago, willofmaine said: so I guess I will need to re-create my template from scratch in VW 2022. AFAIK I recreated my Templates for VW 2021 and migrated to VW 2022. My Templates are 2D Legacy free - not so my Project Files (Referenced Underlays ?) I often did import SLVPs in the past by grouping but am not sure if it is really worth to have them in the Template. Yes, you will save VP Naming. But in VW 2022 (?) it was a nightmare to try to adapt the Crops to the new Project sizes. And in the past I had problems like : - Lost Layer Assignments/Visibilities - Section Line Linking got lost - all VPs with mirrored direction went corrupt and started to rotate when trying to move Not sure if I would call it (more) safe to copy VPs today. I think I would prefer an easier way to create them from scratch for a new Project. But by having an option to make them follow an Office Standard for SLs and VPs Naming. Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 my understanding is that copy and pasting groups of viewports from one file to another was a technique that some of us used, but caused trouble in the file. I thought that this had been prevented in VW 2022. You used to be able to resize a viewport by grouping it and strecthing it. I couldn't do this in VW 2022 last time i tried. 1 Quote Link to comment
Andy Broomell Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 In VW2020 and prior, you could group a Viewport and then copy and paste it into a different file. I don't think this was ever an official technique but it worked nonetheless. In VW2021 they removed this ability, but this caused much unhappiness for folks who relied on this technique. So thankfully the engineers put in some extra time and effort, and for 2021 SP3 they officially added the ability to copy and paste viewports from one file to another (and without needing to group them first). Note that you probably can't copy from 2021 and paste into 2022. You'd have to open the 2021 file in 2022 then copy and paste between files open in the same version. Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Hi @Andy Broomell, But do you think it is now safe and worth to do so ? Quote Link to comment
willofmaine Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, zoomer said: I often did import SLVPs in the past by grouping but am not sure if it is really worth to have them in the Template. Yes, you will save VP Naming. I have a sheet of "master viewports," both for different drawing types (plan, RCP, section, detail, etc.) and each of those at different scales (to adjust line weights and, especially, line types). It saves time having these "ready-to-use" viewports without having to worry about setting class visibilities, overrides, and so on. 1 hour ago, Jonathan Pickup said: I thought that this had been prevented in VW 2022. Seems to work quite well, even without grouping.... 1 hour ago, Andy Broomell said: for 2021 SP3 they officially added the ability to copy and paste viewports from one file to another (and without needing to group them first). Excellent, that's what I was hoping to hear! 1 hour ago, Andy Broomell said: Note that you probably can't copy from 2021 and paste into 2022. You'd have to open the 2021 file in 2022 then copy and paste between files open in the same version. Yes, I don't think you can copy and paste anything from one version to another. I just tried a rectangle and (accidentally...) a viewport, from 2021 to 2022, and, in both cases, they just pasted as PDF pages. 1 Quote Link to comment
willofmaine Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, zoomer said: AFAIK I recreated my Templates for VW 2021 and migrated to VW 2022. My Templates are 2D Legacy free I just tried migrating my 2021 template, and doing that didn't resolve the issue; I still can't make 2D Legacy Features go away... Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, willofmaine said: I just tried migrating my 2021 template, and doing that didn't resolve the issue; I still can't make 2D Legacy Features go away... I checked my (migrated) VW 2022 Templates and 2D Legacy is OFF. But my project File is not. I tried all Forum advices to custom search and reset screen plane to layer plane on my clients 2D underlay file too. But without success. a) some objects will switch back to screen plane after I tried to change anyway. b) most screen plane setups happen in Groups, no chance to open and edit all of these. Looks like VW 2022 automatically cares about SL Viewport Crop#s plane assignments. But my DLVP Reference's crop always switch back after I set them to layer plane. I also checked all Saved Views for Unified View OFF Settings (did not have these though) I think we have to wait for VW 2025 release that we will get a new Purge Option to get rid of any UV OFF or screen plane settings deleted/converted. But at least to know that Screen Plane in VW is officially deprecated, make me feel already better 🙂 Edited December 28, 2021 by zoomer Quote Link to comment
willofmaine Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, zoomer said: But at least to know that Screen Plane in VW is officially deprecated, make me feel already better 🙂 If only that were true for a VW 2021 file brought into 2022. I deleted everything (all layers (replaced with the default), all classes (except None and Dimension), all sheets, all resources, all Saved Views (which are a resource...)) and yet, STILL can't turn off 2D Legacy Features. Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Do you also have a Reference loaded ? Do you have Unified View OFF ? I am still not sure if it may be related to old Unified View "Sub" Settings, which are no more available in VW 2022, which may have still an influence for 2D Legacy - although Unified View is ON !? BTW, I do not really believe that we mere users can solve this without VW developers .... Quote Link to comment
willofmaine Posted December 28, 2021 Author Share Posted December 28, 2021 No references, and I don't know if I've ever had Unified View off. I haven't heard back from Tech Support, so not sure if it'll even get to the developers... Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 9 hours ago, willofmaine said: I haven't heard back from Tech Support, Holidays 😃 But there were already some discussions about how to get rid of 2D Legacy and not much feedback from developers so far. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, zoomer said: But do you think it is now safe and worth to do so ? I use this all the time now without any problems. I've used it primarily to reorganise files, but I'm also regularly using it copy section viewports from a reference file (where Edit Section In-Place doesn't work) into my model file temporarily so that I can use Edit Section In-Place. Once I've made the edits to the model that I wanted to make I delete the viewport from the model file and refresh the reference file and update the viewport. One thing I had a problem with in the past was pasting viewports with grid lines. This was causing VW to crash in v2022. That bug has now been fixed but what I find instead is that the grid line layer is turned off when pasted. Edited December 28, 2021 by Christiaan 1 Quote Link to comment
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