Ozzie Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 I downloaded the evaluation version to have a look Because I have a large library of Plants I have made myself - last count was 275 custom plants - first thing I looked at - is there now a scroll bar when you select a plant When you first use the Plant Tool you can select your first plant and only first plant from all of your plant symbols just like in the Resource Browser After that little teaser you have to select from a list of plant names - this list does not have a scroll bar so to get to a Plant starting with 'w' in my 275 plants - wack a brick on your mouse and go and get a cup of coffee This is madness Why when you select your first plant do you get a nice useable graphical interface and can Edit the plant spacing, Edit the plant definition or Duplicate the plant and make a new one or you can select a plant symbol and quickly scroll through them with a scroll bar. Every time you use the tool afterwards you have to just troll through the list of names with no scroll bar - rest your cursor at the bottom of the list on a little black arrow and wait Can anyone tell me who knows how to write Plug In Objects how difficult is it to put a scroll bar on a list such as this? Why do we have such a good usable GUI for the first plant and then go back into the dark ages for every new plant you wish to use in that file I will not upgrade to VW 2011 until this is fixed It boggles my mind and proves to me with this - NV just does not give a hoot Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 This is what I get: - If you choose from the Plant Preferences dialog box there is a scroll bar. - If you choose from the Plant ID pop-up button list there are up and down arrows that will scroll you up and down the list. Quote Link to comment
Ozzie Posted October 2, 2010 Author Share Posted October 2, 2010 Mike - how you doing? In VW2011 Evaluation Version VW 2010 and VW 2009 New File From Site Planning Tools Set you go to Place Plant - correct? You get Place Plant Preferences as you say - nice Gui where you can select Plants as in the Resource Browser as Symbols - correct? Place a Plant Now remember I am talking about in my library I have 275 Plants and the Evaluation version of VW 2011 I downloaded today - it has 16 Tell me how we can activate that GUI again? Your first image above Notice even in your Image above - the first one it has a scroll bar Go again to Place Plant and we get just up beside the Mode Bar - Plant ID and can select from the list of Plants So how do we get the original Place Plant Preferences GUI again? You are right in the Plant ID list we have up and down arrows but they are not scroll bars so try them with 275 plants in your Plant Library - totally different and as I said in my original post wack a brick on your mouse and go and get a cup of coffee Having a scroll bar or even if you could type 'wa' for Waterhousia and get to it Why can we not have the original GUI - the first one of your images above for every plant we place? If you want me to send you my Plant Library with 275 Plants in it you will see what I mean I am not at all interested in workarounds with this We should have the original GUI - your top image for every plant we place or if a list as in second plant onwards a real scroll bar Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 After discussing this with Darrel on the phone I can now see where the problem is. Darrel hadn't realised that you can access the Plant objects visually through the tool Preferences button. In the dialog box that opens up for this tool there is a small graphic window that when clicked on allows you to select the required Plant using a Plant object specific browser. This browser allows you to select from those Plant objects in the current file and in the Default Content Plant object files. I'm not surprised that Darrel didn't realise this because there are only two tools that have this option - the Plant tool and the Custom Stair tool. Thus it is easy to miss. What this shows is that: - Even experienced users don't find the interface obvious enough. - The interface behaviour needs to be more consistent. Quote Link to comment
Ozzie Posted October 3, 2010 Author Share Posted October 3, 2010 What this shows is that: - Even experienced users don't find the interface obvious enough. - The interface behaviour needs to be more consistent. And it also shows I am a numb skull Thanks Mike - I just did not know you could do that - phew Quote Link to comment
mike m oz Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) I'd actually prefer to see more tools have the quick visual selection pop-up because it provides a way for users to set up the program for how they want to work through customisation of their Template files and Default Library content. Some obvious candidates for this quick visual selection mode are the: - Wall tool Wall Styles. - Door tool preconfigured door types. - Window tool preconfigured door types. - Handrail tool preconfigured handrail types. - Furniture object preconfigured types. - Section Marker types. - Reference Marker types. - North Point types. The aim should be to make it easier for users to set up the program for how they want to work most of the time. This is currently possible but the methodology is not obvious and it is confusing. That means most users don't or can't do it. Edited October 12, 2010 by mike m oz Quote Link to comment
verdancedesign Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Evolving the thread a bit: in VW2011 I find that when I've used 3 or more different plant symbols, selecting one of the "used" symbol names from the top of the 'Plant ID' drop-down list actually gives me the symbol listed above the one I selected. Anyone else having this issue? Anyone at VW aware of it? Quote Link to comment
3dtoolbox Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Hi John yes we are experiencing the same problems with customers 1. When I click on a plant to place, it switches to the previous plant in the list. I can get round this, by clicking on the plant after the one I want in the list but this is not ideal. Anyone shed any light on this? Quote Link to comment
verdancedesign Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 FWIW, this happens only using the drop-down Plant ID list; I can get around it by selecting the plant using the Plant Preferences button. Quote Link to comment
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