Diamond Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I need an option for the column object to be able to be angled off the vertical, and a way that it can display correctly in top/plan view. Quote Link to comment
0 CipesDesign Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 You will probably need to model it in 3d and draw it in 2d and then you can create a hybrid symbol from the two objects. Not that difficult. Post back if you need more guidance. Quote Link to comment
0 mike m oz Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 (edited) For now you will need to make your own hybrid symbol: - Model the column in 3D. - Switch back to Top/Plan View. - Draw the required 2D directly on top of the 3D. - Select both the 2D and the 3D parts and invoke the Create Symbol command. - Nominate the insertion point and click on OK. Be mindful that if you edit the symbol after creation you need to make sure the 2D and 3D parts remain correctly aligned on top of each other and that you modify both the 2D and 3D parts as necessary. I agree though Diamond that Vw needs an inclined column object that does this automatically. Edited April 25, 2010 by mike m oz Quote Link to comment
0 RubenH Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I agree though Diamond that Vw needs an inclined column object that does this automatically. Totally right!!!.. with control over the profile (like extrude along path) and the possibility to add and subtract solids (like feature in wall). Quote Link to comment
0 Diamond Posted April 26, 2010 Author Share Posted April 26, 2010 Thanks Gents. The hybrid symbol is what I have been doing. I prefer working with objects rather than extrudes. In this case we are jumping into the world of IFC files / BIM for our consultant documentation exchange, and an intelligent object would probably be cleaner. Quote Link to comment
0 bcd Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 (edited) Draw 2d plan view of the base. Draw 2d plan view of the top Select both Multiple Extrude - set extrude height. Or. Draw column vertical. Edit>Ungroup. Front View - Rotate. And As Peter recommends: then draw the 2d graphics you want to represent the column in Top-Plan view - Select all >Modify Create Symbol Yes, it's no longer parametric, but it's fast, accurate & easily edited. Tools>IFC Data and nominate your extrude to be an IFC Column. Edited April 27, 2010 by bcd Quote Link to comment
0 Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Troy, You could also try using the Framing Member(FM) tool. This can be pitched, as desired to almost vertical and the top and bottom ends can be properly resolved. To export as columns via IFC, just select the FM/Column and open the "IFC Data..." command under the AEC menu. When the dialog opens, reassign the FM from IfcMember to IfcColumn. Quote Link to comment
0 RubenH Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 In FM: Bevels are only present at the solid beam option... Bevels should be in: a.. Cool formed steel channel. b.. Steel Section. c.. Custom profile. You don't get the cut height (as happens in feature in wall). I think those are the things that should exist in the column object, too. Quote Link to comment
0 Diamond Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 Thank you Jeffery. That works well. Although doesn't show correctly in plan, but at least better than an extrude to edit on the fly. An interesting note. I have found by rotating the object 90 deg in front view enables me to have a fully vertical column. Just have to make sure that the steel section object within a symbol that I used (in my case, a round hollow section) is converted to a polygon. Quote Link to comment
0 Yancka Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 An interesting note. I have found by rotating the object 90 deg in front view enables me to have a fully vertical column. On VW2009 it doesn't. I'm getting message "This operation only works on hybrid objects in plan projection". Though, I hope we both are talking about same thing - Framing Member.... Regarding original subject - there indeed is a need for 1 object which would allow to create the whole structural construction and then to be included in schedules. Currently construction can be made combining Framing Member (for beam and rafter type objects) and Column (for vertical elements) - and the scheduling is an issue. Quote Link to comment
0 Diamond Posted May 14, 2010 Author Share Posted May 14, 2010 Apologies. You are right. I was actually using the Round Tubing - 3D tool. Quote Link to comment
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I need an option for the column object to be able to be angled off the vertical, and a way that it can display correctly in top/plan view.
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