jrhartley Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) Hello Just received my copy of VW 2009, installed it, updated it, opened a VW2008 drawing... I'm concerned by how slow the redraw is when zooming in and out - it seems to take far longer to 'ping' to a clean image than earlier versions - maybe a second or so to go from pixelated to a proper image. I'm running a MBP 2.4 with 4GB RAM and a 256MB Graphics card (GeForce 8600M GT). I've tried running that script for MBPs, turning off Quartz, anti-aliasing etc. Line thicknesses are not on, etc. Is there any way to get VW2009 to redraw any quicker - I've run VW2008 on the same machine and it was nowhere near as slow to redraw when zooming as 2009 is. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Edited March 14, 2009 by jrhartley Quote Link to comment
jrhartley Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 Guess no one else is getting this problem then. I sure am unlucky on the old Vectorworks front. Needless to say, I will not be continuing with VW2009. That was a waste of time. It would be good if Nemetschek worked to the principle that new releases, working in 2D, should be at least as fast as the previous version. If they want to add in loads of bells and whistles as optional installs, fine, great, but it should lead to the underlying OS being crippled. Funny, one of my friends working at the one of UK's biggest pratises was talking to his IT manager the other day, and the IT / software purchasing manager said one of the main reasons they use Autocad and Microstation and NOT VW is that they can't afford to upgrade hundreds and hundreds of PCs every new VW release just to ensure it keeps working. Quote Link to comment
beanus Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I find V2009 slower & unstable especially when it comes to 3d modelling, things I could do in V2008 causes V2009 to crash also the sanp loupe tool sometimes works, I think the only good thing about V2009 is the positioning of doors/windows. Hopefully there will be a patch to sort things out until then I'll be using V2008 Quote Link to comment
gmm18 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 jrhartley, For me the Track Pad Fix script for MBP's did not work. In fact it made the problem worse. I cannot explain why it worked for some people. I called tech support and they sent me a fresh User Preferences folder. I just don't use the track pad. Use a mouse. Problems go away. Now 2009 is quite fast and no real problems with refresh/zoom. I suggest calling tech support to see if they can help you. Quote Link to comment
jrhartley Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 sorry, should have said in my OP, that is using a mouse, not the trackpad - still 1-2 seconds for the redraw on pans or zooms. no way near acceptable. i couldn't draw using the trackpad on my mbp - amazed anyone can draft with a trackpad. Quote Link to comment
Ray Libby Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 This is not normal. Have you tried running disk utilities after install? It would help if you would create a signature with your version of Vectorworks and computer specs including OS. Quote Link to comment
gmm18 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I suggest calling tech support. http://www.nemetschek.net/support/index.php Quote Link to comment
jrhartley Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 re: disk utilities - yes, also onyx, forced the crone tasks. i think its just overly resource hungry. i will maybe have a go at reinstalling some day when a few sps have been released, but for the moment i can't afford the speed penalty of 2009. Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 There have already been 2 service packs released. Have you updated to them? What you are seeing in not typical. There is something that is happening between your system and VW. The hard part is figuring out what that is. That is why gmm18 is recommending that you spend some time on the phone with Tech Support. Quote Link to comment
Ride Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I have the same problem. I switch back to 2008 whenever I get tired of buggy eyes waiting for redraws.... I've called tech support with no help, and I've installed the trackpad fix (although I am using a mouse). VW is getting worse with every release. I think I'm going to install 12.5 again and never upgrade..... Ken Macbook Pro 2.2 Core Duo, 2GB ram, GeForce 8600M GT 128MB Quote Link to comment
D Wood Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 No one has mentioned hard drive capacity - could it be getting full? I have seen on the Mac forums that it is a good idea to have at least 10% (15% better) free space, otherwise everything slows down and you see erratic behaviour. If you have all your project files loaded, and music, video, email, etc, etc, it is easy to fill up what seemed at the start to be an enormous hard drive. Quote Link to comment
Ride Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I've got 64GB available. Should be plenty for VW to work with.... Thanks for the suggestion. Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 VW is getting worse with every release. I think I'm going to install 12.5 again and never upgrade..... Ken Perhaps in your case Mr. Ride ... but this is definitely not the general assessment of the community. May i humbly suggest that you take a more proactive stance and use a few of the OSX tools available to monitor the processes beginning with Activity Monitor. Watch the memory usage and the background processes, too. Pay particular attention to the Console Log files when you have crashes, etc. Are you using File Vault ? When was the last time you did a full maintenance shut-down ? There may be something specifically problematic with your installed set-up. Quote Link to comment
Ride Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I wrote that to express my frustration with 2009..... I do system maintenance every month or sooner, and shut my computer down at least 2 times a week. Not using File Vault. I will watch activity monitor and see if anything is unusual. Thanks. Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Do some monitoring ... keep some notes .. and get back to us.. asap... with your findings so that we can proceed with further analysis & discussion. The importance of resolving these issues can not be overstated. What is your network set-up? Quote Link to comment
Guest Donne Martin Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 jrhartley and Ride, Could you please file a bug report and attach the file you are working with? http://www.nemetschek.net/support/bugsubmit.php Thanks Donne dmartin@vectorworks.net Quote Link to comment
Ride Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 It does it with every file, all the time. I'll submit bug report this weekend. Ken Quote Link to comment
_c_ Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Please, try disabling the preselection highlighting. It should get you some relief, I hope. Vectorworks Preferences > Interactive > Cursor pre-selection highlighting: OFF Many similar issues with the new highlight feature have been fixed already (compared to SP2) so filing the bug is quite a good idea. If it's a highlight issue. Next update we are all free of your [our] problem. orso Quote Link to comment
CARMELHILL Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Your not alone. I had slow redraws and slow navigating. I hadto increase my RAM to 4 gig and I also replaced my video card. Here is the tech link you should read about all of this. http://techboard.vectorworks.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=116110&page=1 Read all the messages till the very end. You'll realize you need either a very powerful video card and lots of RAM to utilize all of 2009 new on screen hints and aquisition highlighters. I turned off all the Interactive Highlighters in Preferences and it tremendously speeds of the program. But if you still slow, you'll need to upgrade to more RAM, a better video card, or finally a newer computer. Quote Link to comment
Ride Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Thanks for the help. My machine is not that old, with 2GB ram. But, I'll increase my ram soon. Unfortunately a new computer is a year or so away. I've already turned off all the pre-selection highlighting. No change with it on or off. I just can't believe that the new screen tips are that taxing on ram and video cards. Quote Link to comment
jrhartley Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 No one has mentioned hard drive capacity - could it be getting full? I've got 40GB left on my MBP hard drive of the 120GB. I'd hope that was enough. Quote Link to comment
RubenH Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Never get full disk: 20% of the hd space should be free for system's and applications's tasks. Quote Link to comment
jrhartley Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 I'd like to be able to tell you if moving from SP1 to SP2 fixed this problem, but unfortunately I can't, as whenever I try to update my EDU version from SP1, it asks me to reauthorise the software and I can't get into it. apparently SP3 isn't available for the EDU version of 2009. I have called Vectorworks North America and also dealt with the distributor here in the UK. Both have told me there are no license problems and that this shouldn't be happening. Obviously it shouldn't be happening, but it is. I have been advised to delete and reinstall from the DVD, which I have done, and then try again to update to SP2. Precisely the same problem - software won't authorise after the service patch update. Time to give up on VW2009 and move to another CAD package, I reckon. there are only so many hours in the day to try to get a bit of software working before its time to move on. Quote Link to comment
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