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Heather Carey

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In V9... when I copy dimensions from one drawing to another the class changes to "none" ...no good... I use classes for colours and line types etc... "none" and "dimension" never look the same. The same thing happens with circle center marks... It has me wondering what other niffty little annoyances I'll have to "work around" in V9.

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Heather,

Sorry about the dimension being put into the None class. I am entering a bug report for this and expect it will be fixed for VW 9.0.1.

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Bruce Ferguson

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Heather;

Re. other annoyances:

Have you encountered sluggish performance while working in VW9?

We upgraded to 1gig of ram in our g4's when we did the VW9 upgrade and we're encountering this problem a lot. We're running OS/8.6.

Saving frequently (always a good idea) seems to help, but not for long. Likewise with restarting the system.

Any comments?

Thanks

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Re. other annoyances:

I'm running OS9.1.1 on a G4 with 256MB Ram (whatever it was that came in the machine)

-I find VW9 to be very slow when I exit a symbole and sometimes when exiting groups.

-I noticed that file sizes are much much larger in VW9 as well. (eg: VW8.5.2 file is 2.7MB, Opened and saved in VW9 is now 4.3MB)

-Crashes when I try to send a fax of a drawing in Global Village.

-Crashes sometimes if you move the handle on an associated dimension.

-Undo sometimes gets stuck and will only undo things I did 5 min. ago. but nothing since then (If I close the file and re-open it undo behaves again for awhile)

-Some old scripts don't work anymore.

-I need set screws back.

-split is cool but it doesn't replace the Menu command trim.

-some key's I used to use are not "reserved by VW" such as the space bar.. I want to be able to switch key to were I need them!!!

I seem to have gone off on a rant... and no I do not feel better...

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Re. other annoyances:

One more ...

-sometimes when I move a circle or a symbol it moves "somewhere else" with circles it seems the center stays put and the raduis moves. (if I move a 1/2" cirlce 6' the "new" circle MIGHT be 6'-0 1/2") the Symbols .... they could go just about any where.... what ever does this is not consistent. I just moved a group that contains a dozen cirlces and only two went wierd...copy/paste from one file to another seems to do it as well... sometimes...

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Originally posted by Heather Carey:

Re. other annoyances:

I'm running OS9.1.1 on a G4 with 256MB Ram (whatever it was that came in the machine)

-I find VW9 to be very slow when I exit a symbole and sometimes when exiting groups.

-I noticed that file sizes are much much larger in VW9 as well. (eg: VW8.5.2 file is 2.7MB, Opened and saved in VW9 is now 4.3MB)

-Crashes when I try to send a fax of a drawing in Global Village.

-Crashes sometimes if you move the handle on an associated dimension.

-some key's I used to use are not "reserved by VW" such as the space bar.. I want to be able to switch key to were I need them!!!

Heather;

regarding lost keyboard shortcuts, you can define your own tool/keystrokes with the "edit workspace" command. Under the "file" menu, go to "workspaces" then to "workspace editor".

Case you don't know, workspaces are the ways that VW can configure what tools appear in tool boxes, which tool boxes appear on the desktop as well as what commands appear in pull down menus. the cool thing is you can completely customize the work environment, rearrange the keyboard shortcuts to put most used tools in most convenient locations...etc

Also spacebar + command + option gives you the zoom tool, and just spacebar give you the "hand"/pan tool. Very helpful 4 quick manuvering...

Thanks for speed comments.

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Heather or anyone else,

If you see a crash when you move the handle on an associated dimension, could you please send me a copy of the file and describe what you did to get it to crash.

Thanks,

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Bruce Ferguson

bruce@nemetschek.net

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Just a thought about slow performance - though I have not upgraded to v9 yet.

How many levels of undo do those of you that have slow performance have. I remember when multiple undo was added to VW ( v8 I think). If the number of undo's was set too high it would slow the program down. I still use v8 and have undo's set to 5 - nice snappy performance on an old 604e/200mhz.

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I have noticed a lot of you having problems with VW and Macs.

I use VW9 + Architect on a PC (undo set to 75) and it runs great.

Dare I suggest PC's are not all that bad?

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I run Architect 9 on a DP G4 533 OS 9.1 with absolutely no problems. Interestingly enough, I also run Architect 9 on a Powerbook G3 500 with OSX in classic with no problems. Being the one that repairs/maintains our Windows 2k machines, I will hold my tongue on the question of PC's not being that bad. To each his own though.....

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Originally posted by MacDaid:

Heather;

Re. other annoyances:

Have you encountered sluggish performance while working in VW9?

We upgraded to 1gig of ram in our g4's when we did the VW9 upgrade and we're encountering this problem a lot. We're running OS/8.6.

Saving frequently (always a good idea) seems to help, but not for long. Likewise with restarting the system.

Any comments?

My Lord, 1gig should run about, warp 1...

NNA-Whats up Lads?

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I see what you are all talking about now.

Getting real sick and tired of those crash's.

If wasn't for the fact that I have many many hours tied up in jobs and the fact that they won't export back to 8.5.2, I have got to stick it out.

PLEASE hurry up with the updated version of VW9 and Architect1

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Oki-day... As Jar-Jar Binks would have said...

Seriously though, this past week had the National AIA Convention here in Denver and we had an extensive chance to meet with the crew from Nemetschek North America, at the show, at a user group reception, and at dinner at a local restaurant nearby...

Now, if anybody has been following my posts, or more likely, swapping e-mails with me, I am the first to say that there have been dire problems with our upgrading to Vectorworks Architect 9 and Renderworks 9. As to be expected, I think most of us knew that there would be issues, as any update, especially as extensive as 9, there would be bugs... However, not hearing back from the NNA tech support led us to make assumptions and 'fear the worst'...

I however have decent and postive news to report from the convention...

As we all know, this has been quite the time for the Minicad team, as they have quickly transformed from the old company, to the new, and along the way encompassing a new internal rendering app, Renderworks, that has allowed us to lessen the financial implications that Artlantis, once held us to. In addition to this, a new marketing direction with the name change, sincere development of app plugins that focus on individual trades (Spotlight, Landmark, Architect, etc.), in addition to the 'slight' redirection associated with a merger/buyout, which of course has all its good and bad, along with the uneasiness of all those on the inside, as well as the outside...

Then along comes a couple of 'small' issues, namely Apple finalizing development of perhaps the most important operating system update, regardless of hardware and personal preferences, OS X (ten) - the new Unix-platformed operating system designed for the Macintosh fleet of computers.

AND OF COURSE, last but not least... Vectorworks 9...

After expressing sincere disappointment with many of those at the helm, I had the pleasure of spending many hours with various people (yes, they are people and not just e-mail addresses or voice mailboxes...) from NNA, and have regained my previous trust in the product and those behind its everyday use and productivity...

First off, all wanted to apologize for the lack of feedback to our posts at this site. Honest embarassment was highly evident, but at the same time, I completely understand that there are only so many hours in a day, and the rolling priority has been to fix the problems and make sure that all the newest applications from NNA are to the best of our expectations.

Apparently this and a couple other reasons are behind their visible absence, as of late... Most prominently due to the buyout, questions abound of job security led to much 'shuffling' and even those at the call centers seeking employment elsewhere... However the biggest item was moving those most knowledgeable in these areas to other department to help shore-up areas in this time of great development and growth, some to actual tech development, engineering, sales, marketing, etc. - All told, the best way I was able to comprehend, was that "cross-training" has become a key asset, of late, and all hands available have been tending to the wheel most recently, unfortunately leaving the boards a bit bare on the 'official' NNA response side...

Again, I pass you all their apologies, and want to let you know that their embarrassment and these apologies were of the utmost sincerity, and not just surface level...

Ishmael, Charles, Michael, myself and one of my assistants, sat through much time going over issues that were have been digging through. Having strapped my Ti/PB to my Ninja (motorcycle), I made my way to the convention with problems literally, in-hand... We were able to reproduce many of the problems, or at least discuss (i.e. printing) some of the others.

Overall, most of the issues are known, some are just user inexperience (as in, our mess...) or new release changes and differences. In fact, there has been an issue regarding realtime panning, rotating, movement, etc., of rendered items in Open GL... In Renderworks 8.x, if you were in Quickdraw 3D and began screen movement, all items went to wireframe, before returning to the rendered element, upon finishing one's pan, rotation, etc. In Open GL, it was to allow one to make these movements, all the while still being able to see the entire rendered object(s) without losing the screen back to wireframe.

This apparently has been an issue, and as Michael was working with my file on my Powerbook, he was befuddled by the fact that he was able to move about my drawing, fully rendered in Open GL, something that NNA have been working on...

Murphy's law...

Ishmael really helped us with explanations on improved automation features of VWA9 and its setup assistant and how it automatically sets up sheets that are specifically for referencing when cutting sections and pulling details from, specifically how the automatic layer linking feature works and how is goes about assisting in further standardizing layouts, especially amongst an office where projects are shared with multiple people.

Overall, the NNA Vectorworks team is honestly on top of (more-than-likely) all of our issues, and I promised to get on the board as a portion of their voice, to let everybody know that help is on its way, VERY soon... I would repeat the date that was uttered during our meetings and discussions, but as long as we know it is coming, let's just leave it at that; it is a date that is very near, and even I can muddle through most of the bugs right now, knowing with assurance (I physically sat in front of both Mac and Windows machines running the latest Beta...) that many of those bugs will be swatted in the first update; Vectorworks 9.1 (or 9.0.1).

Feel free to e-mail me with any questions that you may or may not have, as I will do my best (no way in hell that I could ever fully fill-in for the true masters of the craft...) to give highlights of our conversations, issues and the fixesd that I saw or did not see, etc.

In addition to trying to help the Vectorworkd guys (and gals, Hi Deidre) out, a sincere thanks for a well presented AIA booth, wonderful reception cocktail, and thank you Stuart for your generous hospitality from myself, Brandy, Matt and Bryan, at the Denver Buffalo Company - it was a great evening, one that will be remembered along and hopefully returned in gracis, somewhere down the road.

Oh, and next time, don't wait so long before using your 'On-Star' button! smile.gif

Hang in there everybody, the calvary is on its way!

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C M Harada

Perspectives Design

Group, ink

Denver, CO

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