michaelcobb Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Is there a way to have the outside of the window indicated by the outside of the shim space? I'd like to be able to snap to the outside of the shim space for the purposes of dimensioning. Any help is greatly appreciated. -Mike Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) For me this has been an ongoing annoyance. My 5? workaround is to increase the jamb width to 1" and decrease the shim space to 0. This lets me snap to the rough opening, which is what I want, but of course it will mess up the "auto" schedule in respect to the shim space... Edited July 5, 2008 by CipesDesign Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 i add the shim gap to the jamb like peter does: jamb 19mm + 6mm shim= 25mm Quote Link to comment
michaelcobb Posted July 7, 2008 Author Share Posted July 7, 2008 Heh, I was afraid this was the solution. But then again I have yet to actually use the autoschedule business. I've made a couple runs at it over the years but this proves to be one more reason to avoid it. The BIM dream continues to allude me. I'll take a clear drawing over that any day. Thanks for both your inputs. Quote Link to comment
brudgers Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 A workaround would be to create and attach a separate record for the shim space. Then you could add it to the nominal dimensions of the windows to come up with a rough opening. NNA's purpose in hard coding database fields for some objects alludes me. Quote Link to comment
Markus Barrera-Kolb Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 Ditto on what Mike & Peter said - on floor plans we want to dimension to the rough opening, since that's the pertinent information for the crew out in the field. Seems like it would be quite easy to give VW window & door objects this capability. Does anyone know whether WinDoor objects allow you to do this? Quote Link to comment
Markus Barrera-Kolb Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) I just had a very interesting email exchange with Julian Carr of OzCad, and he sounded very amenable to the idea of adding Rough Opening functionality to WinDoor. This would include scheduling capability for R.O. width, height, & area, as well as the display of loci in plan view indicating the R.O. in the wall, according to the window/door width & specified shim gap. I'll cross my fingers that the next version of WinDoor will include these capabilities! Come to think of it, if you think this would be a great idea drop him a line and let him know (contact info at OzCad)... Edited August 5, 2008 by markuskolb Quote Link to comment
Jonathan Pickup Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I like the idea of rough opening. I add the shim gap to my jamb and that does it for me... Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 On the wish list: http://techboard.vectorworks.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=12&Number=76269 Quote Link to comment
Markus Barrera-Kolb Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Adding the shim gap to the jamb is a poor workaround for us, because then if we want to show the overall unit size we'll have to do extra math in the worksheet (to subtract the shim gap again) instead of just extracting the appropriate parameter from the PIO. Plus, if we want to generate larger-scale window elevations for the window order, the units will be shown too large. In the U.S., windows are typically identified by the outside frame size, but we like to show the R.O. on the plans for the carpenters out on the site... Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Honestly, in my limited experience... the contractor usually determines the extents of the rough openings based on many factors not the least of which is the material involved , the time of day, day of week , month of year ... and what happened last nite .. oh and ... the frame : ) Quote Link to comment
HOUCAD Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I realize I am coming in late to this discussion but I have recently encountered the same questions. In 2009 Top/Plan View the shim gap shows up as an extension to center of the outside of the frame so you can dimension to it in plan. What I would like is the actual cut hole in a wall to be set to the opening plus the shim gap. I would like to see the frame and the gap in plan, section and elevation views. Usually the rough opening size is scheduled along with the frame dimensions but often in residential the called out window size is the actual rough opening size and the windows are sized to fit the opening and they are not always scheduled. With BIM in mind the objective should be to model everything accurately and have the actual opening and window components sized precisely and parametrically. Quote Link to comment
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