doughd Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 This may be a stupid question, but I am not sure how to get a double-sided fireplace to show correctly in 3D. I can insert the fp into only one wall, but I need it to be inserted into two walls. When you do a walk-through the building, the fp is shown on one side only, but not on the other side. Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 No guarantee, but you could try using a 'cased opening' in the wall, then put the fireplace in (but do not insert into wall). Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted December 7, 2007 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 7, 2007 Why two walls? Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 Yea, that worked, thanx cipesdesign. But really, are those extra steps necessary? I think if NNA is going to put a certain plug-in object or symbol (fireplace) into the software, why not make sure that all bases are covered!? Does anybody there have any architectural design and/or drafting experience? Doesn't seem so. Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 How would you have it any other way? Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 How would you have it any other way: Robert! Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) Robert, I think what he is asking for is for the "2 sided" fireplace to be centered in the wall, ie: for an equal amount of the box to project out of each side of the wall. An additional "offset" setting might be useful here... Edited December 13, 2007 by CipesDesign Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted December 13, 2007 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 13, 2007 Peter, I don't disagree with this, and this can be added in a straightforward way, I think. But this is centered in a (single) wall. The original post said something about "inserted into two walls". This made no sense to me, so I asked for a clarification, which never came. Quote Link to comment
panthony Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Robert, There have been a few cases where I have had to insert a single fireplace in two opposing walls. This type of fireplace can be found at Heatilator ST36D See Through 36" D Style fireplace. All I did was create a hybrid symbol and install to one wall then create another opening to match the size of the symbol for the other wall. In essence it required two seperate operations. This type of procedure mantains the integrity of the wall structure for proper framing. Pete A Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Yeah, he did say two walls. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he meant into two sides of the same wall... Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted December 13, 2007 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted December 13, 2007 DoughD, if what you mean is what Peter is illustrating above, then the "work-around" is to create (outside of a wall) a double-sided fireplace, then make it into a symbol, with the insertion point -not- at the PIO insertion point, but at the object center. Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Robert, that is a more elegant workaround than the one I suggested, because only one object needs to be moved instead of two. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 I think panthony is close to what I'm trying to accomplish. How do you post a stinkin picture to this forum??!!! Quote Link to comment
panthony Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Doug, Here is what I do to install a double-sided fireplace. First thing is to have the symbol built to the exact manufacturers specifications. See Attached VWX file (symbol in walls) Select this to down load vectorworks 2008 file 2SidedFireplace.vwx Here is the fireplace plan view Here is an iso showing the symbol side Here is an image showing the cased opening side with the walls transparent so you can see the opening jamb The reason for the gawdy blue color is so I don't forget to build and install a mantel or hearth. Hope this makes some sense... Pete A. Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 Yea that's exactly the look I'm going for, thanx for the input!! I think NNA needs to look into this a little more, maybe giving an option for the fireplace to create two openings for both walls; would save that extra step of work... Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 But how did you post those pictures?? I can't find any help or any place where it will let me do that. Quote Link to comment
Jeffrey W Ouellette Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Doug, Are you asking for one symbol to be able to be inserted into/attached to two different walls simultaneously? Ouch... I don't know how that would be possible. Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 Yeah. I guess I am. Oh come on, you know those guys have done amazing things, I'm sure there's a way to get this to happen! Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 Is the way to post pictures on this forum some BIG secret?? Quote Link to comment
panthony Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Doug, Posting pictures is no secret...here's how You need to have a place on the net to store the pictures...they are not stored on this forum. Once you have the pics put on the net just select the "Enter an Image" button on the tool bar of the post window. Paste the file path to the picture on the web hit ok and bob's your uncle. Pete A. Quote Link to comment
CipesDesign Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Actually you can post an image right to NNA's server. First, click on the "REPLY" button (as this doesn't work in the "Quick Reply" window) then click on "File Manager", then navigate to your image (I usually put mine on the desktop to make it easy to find). The rest is self-explantory (I think). Edited December 20, 2007 by CipesDesign Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Ok I think I figured it out! Thanks! Here is what I was trying to accomplish. Quote Link to comment
doughd Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 Has anyone heard anything else about this dbl-sided fireplace deal? Is NNA looking into this? I think normally a double-sided fireplace is done this way, is it not? (see my picture one thread above). I'm still having to create a cased opening for the second wall. Quote Link to comment
Partridge Design Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 3 Sided Fireplace.vwxHi There, I'm late to the party but found this post helpful with my same problem. I was attempting a 3 sided fireplace but also encountered the same issue with a double sided. My solution was to make a custom wall thickness that included the cavity for the fireplace (20" wall thickness) Like Robert suggested above, I made the insertion point in the center of the symbol. I included my working file for example. Seems like its a good solution Edited April 7, 2021 by Partridge Design Quote Link to comment
Markvl Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Nicely done @Partridge Design I did my own little take on it. Works great. Quote Link to comment
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