Christiaan Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Can someone do me a favour and describe or post a screenshot of a Elevation Benchmark, to European draughting standards? Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted August 15, 2007 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted August 15, 2007 Christiaan, I think the "ISO" standard in the VectorWorks object is not off the mark. I have seen a few minor variations on this, e.g. using unfilled triangle (arrowhead) but what I've seen from our EU users follows the same general theme. (Is there such a thing as a "European draughting standard"? A single one, I mean?) Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Is there such a thing as a "European draughting standard" It's called "Bavarian Beer" ; ) Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 I'll have to try that islandmon, thanks for the tip. Robert, the problem with the VW Ele Benchmark tool is that it's got an annoying line down the middle of the unfilled triangle and the horizontal line is in line with the top of the triangle instead of the bottom (which is the point of the level). As to euro drawing standard, yeah it's ISO. BS ISO 128 I think. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted August 15, 2007 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted August 15, 2007 It's not a problem to "fix" the ISO version if it doesn't meet ISO standards. I think the ISO does in fact put the line with the top of the triangle, but if it doesn't, we'll sure fix it. Why don't you submit a bug on this? Quote Link to comment
go2greece Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 ISO 128 unfilled triangle >top level finish filled tringle > top level slab text without line top left check DIN 1356 XRONIA POLLA peter Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 Why don't you submit a bug on this? Cos I wanted to find out what the actual standard was first. There's what I think it should be and then there's what it is, the later of which I don't know and by the sounds of things VW does have it correct. Peter, you couldn't post screenshots to clarify could you? Quote Link to comment
Petri Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (Is there such a thing as a "European draughting standard"? A single one, I mean?) There isn't. We have EU Directives about the shape & size of merchantable cucumbers (honestly we do!), but no draughting standard. Not even a dimensioning standard. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted August 16, 2007 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted August 16, 2007 Here's what we have from ISO regarding this issue: http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8043/isoflooridsmpr2.png This is fundamentally in agreement with the elevation benchmark as it ships; however it doesn't fully agree with peter's comments (but I'm not sure about all that peter was indicating) Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 There isn't. We have EU Directives about the shape & size of merchantable cucumbers (honestly we do!), but no draughting standard. Not even a dimensioning standard. ISO 128 is the European standard is it not? Robert, ISO 4157 1980 sounds a little out of date to me, but it also looks a little different to what the tool does at my end. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted August 16, 2007 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted August 16, 2007 ISO 128 was last updated in 1982 and is gradually being replaced by more specialized sections. ISO 128 itself is concerned only with very general draughting representational standards (line weights and styles, hatching, projections, views, sectioning). My reference book that includes ISO 4157 is from 1997 and I see that the current version was revised in 1998. I think the ISO standards are vastly overpriced. To update ISO 4157, which is a 3 page PDF that probably has 10 or 12 words different from the versions of it that I already have, costs about $35 US. By itself, of course, this is nothing. But the ISO standards are like a jungle. They are not arranged to be friendly to the user, they are arranged to make ISO money. I have a two-volume, cheesily-produced, paperback book of standards from ISO, that cost over $400. I know users complain about the cost of keeping VectorWorks up to date, but compared to ISO, we're an absolute bargain. The cost and unfriendlyness of ISO is what makes them more of a "myth" than a useful standard. By this I mean that users seem to know the reference number for ISO standards, but not the content, because the content is too expensive to own. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Lastest update here according to iso.org is 2003, and other parts in 1997 and 2001: http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?CSNUMBER=32462&showAllRelItems=y I hear you on the jungle-like nature and expense of such documents but that's an argument for avoiding personal purchase. Surely NNA should be budgeting for this kind of thing to cater to its non-US customers. Quote Link to comment
islandmon Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hopefully, NNA wont let this tail wag their dog... Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Either you take standards seriously or you don't. My impression from NNA's marketing material is that they want to take standards seriously. I hope they do. I don't see that asking for a tool called "ISO" Benchmark Elevation to actually be ISO compliant is in any way wagging the dog. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Robert Anderson Posted August 17, 2007 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted August 17, 2007 Christiaan, according to the image I posted earlier, ours is ISO compliant. If you don't like the vertical line in the unfilled version (which appears not to be covered by ISO standards) then submit it as a bug. Quote Link to comment
go2greece Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 KALISPERA petri is right again on this there is no EN on this issue there is an ISO 128part 50 from 2001 section .... and there are national standards like the greek, german and and peter ps. is there a finish standart on tis issue? Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Sorry, I didn't mean a Euro standard as in Euro-only. I meant a standard that Europe works by, which is ISO 128 if I understand correctly. Quote Link to comment
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