pschlie Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 as its a real pain to find that upon performing some action, that somehow the mode of the progam has randomly changed to some other mode or setting. Quote Link to comment
0 P Retondo Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Don't know what you mean - could you give an example? Quote Link to comment
0 pschlie Posted May 5, 2007 Author Share Posted May 5, 2007 Although I can't reliably replicate it, for example if in the selection mode and moving objects, I might end-up after a move being in the polygon drawing mode, for no explicable reason. (similar to how others have observed preferences seemingly randomly changing). Personally I believe that vectorworks has some problem with reliably tracking events and modes that only occasonally expresses itself. Quote Link to comment
0 Travis Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 Is it possible you're pressing a key? Most of the common tools come mapped to the keyboard so you can change modes without having to go to the pallets. I don't believe I have ever experienced the behavior you describe. Rather, I find this part of VW to be exceptionally stable. HTH, Quote Link to comment
0 CipesDesign Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 I think what he means is that sometimes the 3d selection/reshape cursor becomes active so that if you try to drag a 2d object nothing happens, and I agree that it is very undesireable behavior. In order to correct it, all you need to do it click on the 2d selection tool (or double tap the "X" key), however first you've got to know what going on, and sometimes (even for a really seasoned user) this takes one or two unsuccessful "pulls" on a 2d object, and just a bit of cursing... Quote Link to comment
0 Travis Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 Ahh. I do notice the 3D reshape tool becomes active when I double-click close to a 2D element while in a view other than Top/Plan. Usually I'm trying to activate the 2D reshape tool (with the double-click), but I wasn't actually over the 2D element. I agree, this is annoying. . .mostly it annoys me that I can't aim my mouse any better! However, I must say that I don't think I've ever noticed the mode change without some input from me; I wouldn't be able to call it "random". Quote Link to comment
0 CipesDesign Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 Travis, I'm sure it isn't really random, but it could certainly *seem* random to a newer user... Quote Link to comment
0 Travis Posted May 6, 2007 Share Posted May 6, 2007 Peter, good point. (as usual!) Truth is, I hope pschlie reposts with a little more description. He/she mentions ending up in a drawing mode, which is different from what we've been discussing. Quote Link to comment
0 pschlie Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 here's more symptoms: (on OSX 10.4.9) - select for example the 2d selection tool from the palet, notice the tool is highlighed appearing depressed, then sweep the cursor to the drawing page, notice that as the cursor is moved other tools appear partially selected as the cursor passes over them, leaving the last tool the cursor recognized as being partially selected (i.e. appearing partially highlighted). - Then sometime unpredictably later when conducting some selection/edit/undo acttion in either the drawing window or object-info palet, vectorworks mistakenly processes some action as a click, and selects the partially selected tool although the cursor was nowhere near the tool palet. then the mode changes to that earlier partially selected tool. - I can't reliably replicate it, but it happens freqently enough once every day to two, to be a pain; so wish engineering would review the event handling code in attempt to more rigoriously identify the potental source of the problem. (Then fix the printing code so that vectorworks doesn't alter the default paper size selections for all programs, as this behavior is wrong, and also a pain; and then figure out how to simply print what is displayed without attempting to be clever by trasliterating patters to grey-shades when using Quartz, as this is also uncalled for and another unnessisary pain to have to deal with; and uncalled for given the number of years that engineering have had to get basic things right). Quote Link to comment
0 pschlie Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 And possibly related: there is no reason why the text insertion mode tool should remain active after completeing the editing of text within a text box selected using the 2d selection tool; as the mode intentionally selected should always be resumed after any object editing action which may temporarity require a mode change is complete. (thinking that this may be related, as vectorworks may think it needs to temporarily swith modes for some reason, but not properly revert the mode to the mode the user had actually selected and was using prior to some event). Quote Link to comment
0 MullinRJ Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 I've never seen the behavior you describe, but that is a better description. It may be machine related. How about more stats? Machine (and speed) / RAM / VW product & version? Externals? (i.e., Mouse? Tablet?, Monitor, card, driver?) Raymond VW D/RW 12.5.2(69163) / Mac mini 1.8GHz / 2GB RAM / OS 10.4.8 Quote Link to comment
0 islandmon Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 Then fix the printing code so that vectorworks doesn't alter the default paper size selections for all programs, as this behavior is wrong, and also a pain; This is an OSX >Print&Fax Pref > Selected Printer in Print Dialog; "Last Printer Used" You can change it to default to a printer of your choice. and then figure out how to simply print what is displayed without attempting to be clever by trasliterating patters to grey-shades when using Quartz, This is a print driver issue. Quote Link to comment
0 pschlie Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 possibly pressing the return key when editing object info after enting some new dimention on occasion. Quote Link to comment
0 pschlie Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Quote: Then fix the printing code so that vectorworks doesn't alter the default paper size selections for all programs, as this behavior is wrong, and also a pain; This is an OSX >Print&Fax Pref > Selected Printer in Print Dialog; "Last Printer Used" You can change it to default to a printer of your choice. - yes, fixed by reseting default, thankyou, sorry for the misplaced frustration. Quote: and then figure out how to simply print what is displayed without attempting to be clever by trasliterating patters to grey-shades when using Quartz, This is a print driver issue. - Although I may misunderstand, don't see this as the real problem, as such issues don't exist in any other programs used which may utilze pattern fill, and patterns print fine when exporting pdf directly (although missing the visual grid present when "printing"); so although possibly mistaken, it seems that as the program is capable of correctly rendering patterns (and ideally optionally the reference grid) for printing; thereby should be capable of more ideally rendering YSWYG during printing without the user having to manually choose different means based on the elements utilzed in the visual model). However regardless, thanks for your assistance. Quote Link to comment
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as its a real pain to find that upon performing some action,
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