Wall Component Viewport Control

[Tom Klaber]

We need a button that turns off wall components in viewports.  This system of turning all component classes off - as the only way causes issues - as there are times when other objects share that material class.  A simple checkbox next to "B+W Only" - would be great - turn it on - show wall components - turn it off - default to the wall overall graphic. 

[Jonathan Pickup]

I think you are talking about Plan viewports, not section viewports?

 

[Jonathan Pickup]

what about choosing detail level low?

 

or combine with a data visualisation?

 

[Tom Klaber]

Thanks.

 

Correct - Plans.

I do not want to lose the detail with doors and windows.  I just want the ability to turn off wall components in particular scenarios without changing other graphic elements. 

Edited February 2 by Tom Klaber

[Tom W.]

30 minutes ago, Tom Klaber said:

This system of turning all component classes off - as the only way causes issues - as there are times when other objects share that material class. 

This is one of the advantages of using Materials in that classes can just be used to control visibility.

[Tom Klaber]

I guess I am not totally following.  I just want an easy way to flip between 2 different views - one with the components on - and one were I see the wall poche'd and displaying the class attributes that the wall is in. 

How do materials help?

[Tom W.]

5 hours ago, Tom Klaber said:

How do materials help?

 

I just meant that with your classes set up differently it is pretty easy to turn the components on + off. I do it all the time. Plus another way to get the solid black fill is via Data Vis. But you're right, this isn't the same as a simple check box. Perhaps the ability to choose which elements are affected by Low Detail (ie exclude Doors + Windows) is what's needed...?

[shorter]

3 hours ago, Tom W. said:

Perhaps the ability to choose which elements are affected by Low Detail (ie exclude Doors + Windows) is what's needed...?

 

Absolutely!  As one can in Symbols...

 

There is a preference/button @Tom Klaber to hide wall components. 

 

 

Level of Detail is also related to layer scale and to viewport setting.

 

Have a play with the Document Settings > Document Preferences >

 

 

Alternatively, use classes.

 

We have three sets of classes related to level of detail, as per the Uniclass 2015 tables.  Set A = 1:200, Set B = 1:50 and Set C = 1:5.

 

Turn off Set B and C and you get a 1:200 plan.

 

 

[Tom W.]

2 minutes ago, shorter said:

3 hours ago, Tom W. said:

Perhaps the ability to choose which elements are affected by Low Detail (ie exclude Doors + Windows) is what's needed...?

 

Absolutely!  As one can in Symbols...

 

Or of course the ability to better control (i.e. customise) the 2D graphics of Doors/Windows at different detail levels.

[Jonathan Pickup]

I don't mean to go on about this, but I've been playing with that and I found that I can have my walls with components as a viewport style controlling the layers, classes, and without the data visualisation, and then a viewport style without the wall components classes turned off and the the data visualisation turned on.

 

The graphic style of the wall components is controlled by materials. I've applied a material to each wall component to give it the graphic style required. I then have one class for the structural component and one class for all of the nonstructural components, meaning I only have to turn off one class to hide all of nonstructural components but I still get the graphic style required because of the materials. 

 

 

[Tom Klaber]

On 2/4/2025 at 4:29 PM, Jonathan Pickup said:

I don't mean to go on about this, but I've been playing with that and I found that I can have my walls with components as a viewport style controlling the layers, classes, and without the data visualisation, and then a viewport style without the wall components classes turned off and the the data visualisation turned on.

 

The graphic style of the wall components is controlled by materials. I've applied a material to each wall component to give it the graphic style required. I then have one class for the structural component and one class for all of the nonstructural components, meaning I only have to turn off one class to hide all of nonstructural components but I still get the graphic style required because of the materials. 

 

 

This is closer to the set up I guess we will need to have.  Right now - we have a series of "Material_Wall Component_XXX" classes to control the look of the component - we must have close to 20.  It only takes one component to be on the wrong class - or one class to be on when it should be off - for the whole thing to come crashing down. 

 

I still thing a toggle switch is a great and easy idea.  Same reason we have B+W Only - certainly possible to do without it - but sometimes - just easier to toggle it.  

 

Now I just have to find the time to remake all 48 standard wall styles we have in our office library....

[Jonathan Pickup]

here is my YouTube movie:

 

[Tom W.]

8 hours ago, Tom Klaber said:

I still thing a toggle switch is a great and easy idea.

 

I agree but the Detail Level settings already do this so personally I think the better wish would be to have more control over the Detail Level settings as discussed above: 1) the ability to exclude specific objects from the settings + 2) more control over how Doors/Windows are represented in Low Detail.

 

And in the meantime using Materials instead of Classes to control the look of the Components will allow you to more easily turn them on + off.

[shorter]

With some tweak of classes within the door it's possible to generate a line and arc for 1:200, and then turn on the leaf and frame for 1:50.  What would love to see is the ability to add our own architrave profile to the 'trim' and be able to position the trim how we want.