Changing wall height in design layer causes crash

[Dick Jenkins]

The city we are working in has decided sub-floor to top plate heights need to be in whole feet (8'-0") rather than standard stud dimensions which works out to (8'-1 1/4"). This change means the contractors will probably need to trim drywall slightly to fit, but of course the city does not care. I have two projects where the models were built using the former sizes and now I have to adjust it to make the model dimensions work correctly in the details. Everytime I try to change the wall height in the design layer VW crashes. Is this a bug, because I feel like I had done this before. Is there a work around?

[E|FA]

I haven't had this issue, though I'm still in VW2024.  Are you using Stories OR are wall heights set by the DL and wall height settings in Organization OR are they all set manually?  I don't think the crash should happen in any of these options, in which case it's a bug and you should reach out directly to VW tech support.

 

Not VW related: on what basis is a city mandating wall heights?  Are they the client?

 

 

[Dick Jenkins]

I still use design layer elevation and wall hheight settings. I've been able to do this in the past but not with 2025. It crashed three times in a row.

 

To answer your second question, it's the SF Bay Area of California (I am in North Carolina), which should be all you need. I think the reviewers just don't want to deal with fractions. We have not had a project under construction using the new mandates yet so I don't know how the contractors will react. I have other stories similar to that. Its why all I do now is the documentation of projects.

[E|FA]

I also use design layer elevations + wall heights. Sounds like a 2025 bug that should be reported through the not so great https://www3.vectorworks.net/vectorworks-bug-report (don't expect a response) or through tech support.  I guess I'll hold off on updating for now as this is a critical workflow item.

 

On the second topic, I don't understand what legal authority a jurisdiction can make the requirement to use whole feet.  Sounds like a small jurisdiction that will have to change this once someone challenges it legally.  Some fights are best left to others, and we often comply with arbitrary (not code defined) decisions by reviewers and inspectors rather than wast e time and money arguing.  Heave fun...

[Tom W.]

25 minutes ago, E|FA said:

Sounds like a 2025 bug

 

I'm not seeing it at my end.

[Flair-Studio]

It is happening to me as well on two separate files, I use storey bound walls. I think it may be related to the staircase but I will investigate further. It is very annoying

[Flair-Studio]

Hi and sorry, has anyone experienced such crashes when editing the layer heights on existing models?

 

I tried to switch to hole model from stories to layer wall heights, re-edited the wall styles, etc but the problem persist

[Dick Jenkins]

It looks like this still has not been fixed in the latest update #3 because I could not find the bug number in the list. Am I correct in this?

[Tom W.]

Has a bug actually been filed for it?

[Dick Jenkins]

11 minutes ago, Tom W. said:

Has a bug actually been filed for it?

Yes. When I first reported it to Tech Support they gave it a number - VB-207915. This was on 10.23.24.

[Matt Panzer]

On 1/14/2025 at 4:27 PM, Dick Jenkins said:

On 1/14/2025 at 4:13 PM, Tom W. said:

Has a bug actually been filed for it?

Yes. When I first reported it to Tech Support they gave it a number - VB-207915. This was on 10.23.24.

 

I took a look and the bug is currently unresolved.  I was able to simplify the test file down to a file containing only one of the wall objects that seem to be triggering the issue.  This should help the engineer troubleshoot the issue but I don't know when this might get fixed.

[Matt Panzer]

In the case of the single wall in the trimmed down version of your file, it looks like a wall feature is causing the crash.  Deleting the feature before changing the wall height avoids the crash.

[Matt Panzer]

4 minutes ago, Matt Panzer said:

In the case of the single wall in the trimmed down version of your file, it looks like a wall feature is causing the crash.  Deleting the feature before changing the wall height avoids the crash.

 

The original file submitted with the bug has four wall feature objects in it.  I found and deleted them using Custom Selection and can no longer reproduce the crash.  This was just a quick test but that seems to be the cause.

[Gadzooks]

On 1/17/2025 at 2:13 PM, Matt Panzer said:

it looks like a wall feature is causing the crash

Matt's on the case...

 

Like a rat up a drainpipe....he's not giving up.....

On 1/17/2025 at 2:20 PM, Matt Panzer said:

I found and deleted them using Custom Selection and can no longer reproduce the crash

............Matt (thorough) Panzer 😄

 

One thing missing though Matt - this is (still confirmed as) a bug surely? Can't be WAD?

 

 

[Matt Panzer]

8 hours ago, Gadzooks said:

Matt's on the case...

 

Like a rat up a drainpipe....he's not giving up.....

............Matt (thorough) Panzer 😄

 

One thing missing though Matt - this is (still confirmed as) a bug surely? Can't be WAD?

 

Right.  After getting out of the drainpipe, I thoroughly noted these details on the bug report. 🙂

[Tobias Kern]

@Matt Panzer,

 

Hey Matt,

greetings to you and wish you a late Happy New Year.

 

I got crashes too, I investigated a little bit and I think

for my crashes, I got the solution.

 

In my crash-file I have Walls connected with Roofs

and this is for me problematic. 

 

If I change the Story Elevation of the lowest story

WITH Walls connected to Roofs AND want that

this change influences all Stories above the lowest

Story = VW Crash

 

If I disconnect Walls from Roofs, everything is fine.

 

I will make a Bug Report today and send you here

the Bug-No.

 

/ / / 

 

Maybe this helps for the other users too.!

 

Greetings from Germany

Tobi

[Tobias Kern]

@Matt Panzer

Report is here:

https://jira.vectorworks.net/browse/VB-209298

 

Found 2nd Bug:

After working Story Elevation change, not all Walls are

redrawn correctly visually wise in 3D. 

 

Greetings Tobi

Edited January 19 by Tobias Kern

[KWiley]

I've found 3 issues with walls since converting to 2025. 1. When I change the "interior side" of a door it will flip the door but it blows my wall up. This happens every time. Ive submitted a bug report and attached a file but havent heard back (Case # 003547072) 2. When I use component join joining my brick to my framing, it blows up the where the walls join. This only happens sometimes 3. If I start an Int wall from the inside of an Ext wall it blows up my Ext wall, but if i end at the Ext wall its fine. This only happens sometimes. 

 

Have yall had any of these issues also?

Edited January 20 by KWiley

[Matt Panzer]

On 1/19/2025 at 6:15 AM, Tobias Kern said:

@Matt Panzer

Report is here:

https://jira.vectorworks.net/browse/VB-209298

 

Found 2nd Bug:

After working Story Elevation change, not all Walls are

redrawn correctly visually wise in 3D. 

 

Greetings Tobi

 

Thanks for reporting the VB @Tobias Kern!