Laura Stone Posted October 18, 2024 Share Posted October 18, 2024 I have just had the areas of hedgerows return incorrectly (too high). When I converted to polygons I got the correct figure. Any ideas what is being returned? Maybe the surface area of the hedge? Laura Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Katarina Ollikainen Posted October 19, 2024 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted October 19, 2024 Hi @Laura Stone, what exactly are you finding incorrect? I get the same area when hedge as when polygon. And what version are you on? Quote Link to comment
Laura Stone Posted October 19, 2024 Author Share Posted October 19, 2024 Hi Katerina, I'm using v2025. The dark green shape below is a hedgerow and the light green I converted to a polyline, so they should have exactly the same area, but for some reason the hedgerow is giving an area value of 22 sq m. The area for the hedge does display correctly in the object info palette. Thanks Laura Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 Are you using ='Hedgerow'.'Area' or =AREA...? Quote Link to comment
Laura Stone Posted October 19, 2024 Author Share Posted October 19, 2024 = Area, I have lots of other object types that need to return an area in the same worksheet Thanks Laura Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Katarina Ollikainen Posted October 20, 2024 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted October 20, 2024 @Laura Stone, Tom is correct. I think ='Hedgerow'.'Area' is the only way to reach the area. I would suggest creating a separate database header for hedgerows in the same worksheet. Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 Or you could do it in a single header using something like =IFS(OBJECTTYPENAME='Hedgerow', 'Hedgerow'.'Area', OBJECTTYPENAME='Polyline', AREA) 2 Quote Link to comment
Laura Stone Posted October 20, 2024 Author Share Posted October 20, 2024 Thanks both, and especially for the code. Just out of interest, what area is the =AREA returning? Laura Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 I think if you use =AREA on a Hedgerow it is returning the area of the Polyline that is its path. So in the case of your semicircular Hedgerow it would be an arc shaped Polyline. Give that Polyline no fill + it will return 0 area in the worksheet. Quote Link to comment
HannahC Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 I'm trying to add multiple plant species into a hedgerow object and I can't seem to add more than 7 species - is this a restriction of using a hedgerow does anyone know? Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 17 minutes ago, HannahC said: I'm trying to add multiple plant species into a hedgerow object and I can't seem to add more than 7 species - is this a restriction of using a hedgerow does anyone know? In Help it refers to 'Plant 1-7' so yes that suggests 7 species is the max... Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted October 21, 2024 Share Posted October 21, 2024 1 hour ago, Tom W. said: In Help it refers to 'Plant 1-7' so yes that suggests 7 species is the max... Now I wonder what the 8th bit is reserved for ... Or is it about the lucky number ? Quote Link to comment
Amanda McDermott Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 Hi all, Hoping for advice on how to get the hedgerow tool to do staggered rows in Vwx 2024? @Marketa Hermova @Katarina Ollikainen @Tom W. @zoomer, can it be done?! Thanks in anticipation. Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 I think I know what you mean by staggered rows but I'm not sure how you'd expect to see it represented in a Hedgerow object...? Quote Link to comment
Amanda McDermott Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tom W. said: I think I know what you mean by staggered rows but I'm not sure how you'd expect to see it represented in a Hedgerow object...? Ah sorry for not explaining well enough - I mean a usual hedgerow spec is not just one row of plants, it's 2 or 3 staggered rows. So we want to draw a line to represent a hedgerow, say 100m long, have it appear graphically as it does, but then use the Object Info Palette or similar to tell it that this hedgerow uses 2 staggered rows. i.e. if the spacing is 1 plant per linear m, this particular hedgerow is made up of 200 plants, not 100 (as it currently thinks). (We don't really want to have to artificially 'thicken' the hedgerow because then a) we're having to use plants/m² where we want to use per linear m, and b) the graphics look wrong.) Edited November 4, 2024 by Amanda McDermott 1 Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 Ah yes I see what you mean. It's not about how the object looks, more how Plant quantities are specified/calculated + how that info is represented in the OIP. Sounds like a good Wishlist item! 1 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Katarina Ollikainen Posted November 11, 2024 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted November 11, 2024 Hi @Amanda McDermott, I'm not sure I understand your query. As the hedgerow tool doesn't show the individual plants, you can simply specify the total width of the hedgerow and then specify the number of plants per linear meter. So a hedgerow with 5 plants/lm can be either a single row of plants (a narrower hedge with smaller plants) or a staggered (wider). The total quantity is correct in both situations - it's only the width that's changing. I would then specify it as a 'hedge, staggered row, 5 plants/lm'. Please let me know if I've misunderstood your question. Quote Link to comment
Amanda McDermott Posted November 11, 2024 Share Posted November 11, 2024 4 hours ago, Katarina Ollikainen said: Hi @Amanda McDermott, I'm not sure I understand your query. As the hedgerow tool doesn't show the individual plants, you can simply specify the total width of the hedgerow and then specify the number of plants per linear meter. So a hedgerow with 5 plants/lm can be either a single row of plants (a narrower hedge with smaller plants) or a staggered (wider). The total quantity is correct in both situations - it's only the width that's changing. I would then specify it as a 'hedge, staggered row, 5 plants/lm'. Please let me know if I've misunderstood your question. Hi Katarina, That sounds like a sensible workaround - but I'd prefer the software doing the maths, to reduce potential for human error! We want to input the distance apart that the plants on one row should be, and input how many rows there are, then have Vectorworks spit out the answer (ideally also be able to use data tags to report how many rows there are as part of the automatic label?) Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Katarina Ollikainen Posted November 11, 2024 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted November 11, 2024 @Amanda McDermott, I actually believe there's less chance for human error if you specify in staggered rows and plants per linear meter. To use the hedgerow, you must always specify the width of the hedgerow - that's a separate parameter and has nothing to do with the placing of the plants, so you must do that manually anyway. Most hedging suppliers here in the UK will have information on quantities for both single and staggered rows. Even when we do add a staggered hedge alternative, this will be the standard way of specifying it. Now, apparently the US doesn't use the same system - there, a staggered row is counted as two separate rows with an offset, so a UK 'staggered 5 plants/lm' would be two single rows of 3 plants/lm. Because of this, we'll have to complicate the system when introducing staggered rows, and I'm not quite sure how this would be resolved when you draw curved hedges. It also requires you to set both a MoC and a row spacing, as these two numbers are not always the same, and if you take it for granted, you might get the incorrect quantities. It sounds like you would rather work with the US system. Unfortunately, this is not possible right now. If you really don't want to do it the 'UK way', simply double the number of plants you have in one row and specify that number - you will have one too many if it's calculated over straight distances, and a few more if there are sharp curves. The only time the exact quantity would matter is if you're buying mature evergreen hedging, and in that situation I would probably just use the plant tool instead to have full control of placing and quantities. Remember - as soon as you have a curve, the distance between your MoC plants will spread out on the 'outer side' - where do you want the distance to be calculated? On the inner side or the outer edge? This is the same as when you do a paving plan - you need more pavers on the outer edge of a curve than on the inner to keep the joint equal. Quote Link to comment
Amanda McDermott Posted November 11, 2024 Share Posted November 11, 2024 @Katarina Ollikainen thanks, as ever, for a quick and detailed reply! Quote Link to comment
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