Pin 'Layer Scale'

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Sorry to ask again, but it would be really great if we could 'pin' layer scale to a file, so that all layers automatically change layer scale if you change one or make a new one or reference from another document using layer import referencing.

 

We never use layers with different scales and it is now one of the questions in our vectorworks questionnaire aimed at checking how well new recruits know vectorworks and what bad habits they have acquired en route.

[rDesign]

I use a ‘one file’ methodology, where the Site model is referenced into the main project file, along with all of the referenced construction details (at differing scales): I always have Design Layers at multiple scales in a file. It may just be a bad habit that I’ve picked up in 25+ years of using Vw.
 

Question: How do you deal with construction details (at differing scales) which are referenced into a base file?

 

(Apologies if this is outside the scope of this wish-list request, but I think it is relevant to understand the need).

[Jeff Prince]

3 hours ago, shorter said:

We never use layers with different scales and it is now one of the questions in our vectorworks questionnaire aimed at checking how well new recruits know vectorworks and what bad habits they have acquired en route.

 

I always use layers with different scales.  This would be undesirable for my workflows.  I guess you don't don't do enlargements, vignettes, 3D or 2D details if you think that's a bad habit...

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@Jeff Prince That's what viewports on sheet layers are for?  Are we talking at cross purposes?

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ps

 

I neglected to use the word 'option'...  It would be good to have the 'option'...

 

BIM models layer scale 1:50.

 

Detail drawings layer scale 1:5

 

Detail Sections layer scale 1:20, etc

 

Viewport scale... world is your bivalve.

[Jeff Prince]

6 hours ago, shorter said:

@Jeff Prince That's what viewports on sheet layers are for?  Are we talking at cross purposes?

It’s a waste of time using viewports for details when you can annotate them directly in the design layer and copy/paste them into other drawings.

 

Viewports and sheet layers are great for displaying the model, not so great graphic exhibits independent of the model.

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We draw the detail and annotate in the design layer, then create a viewport of that design layer on the sheet...

 

The design layer scale of the design layer is 1:5.

 

If you mix and match design layer scales, and the design layer scale of the 'GA' is 1:50, how do you coordinate the GA with the detail?

 

We set all design layers to 1:50 or 1:5 to see the detail with the GA underlay.

 

Design Layer scale is only useful when placing text at a specific size for a specific scale of drawing.

 

We have different files doing different jobs, and not one file for all our eggs, so perhaps this simplifies our use of design layer scale, i.e. GA is referenced to detail.  GA file remains 1:50 throughout.  Detail file is 1:5 througout, including referenced GA layers.

[Jeff Prince]

5 minutes ago, shorter said:

If you mix and match design layer scales, and the design layer scale of the 'GA' is 1:50, how do you coordinate the GA with the detail?

 

I don't know what you mean.

In a project where everything is in one file, coordination of the details, sections, and elevations is handled by the software in terms of detail numbers and callouts, it doesn't matter that they are at different design layer scales.

 

8 minutes ago, shorter said:

Design Layer scale is only useful when placing text at a specific size for a specific scale of drawing.

I disagree, it is very useful for getting a sense of what the drawing is going to look like when printed while working in the design layer space.  That's one of the big problems with inexperienced folks, they make graphic mistakes because they can't see them if the system isn't set up for displaying what the final output is going to look like.

 

11 minutes ago, shorter said:

We have different files doing different jobs, and not one file for all our eggs, so perhaps this simplifies our use of design layer scale, i.e. GA is referenced to detail.

That's how I organize things on large jobs with more than one person doing the work in the file, though that may change if we ever get Project Sharing to be reliable.  Smaller projects with just one person doing the work... all in one file, it's much faster.

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Ho hum

[MullinRJ]

What I don't understand is why you both didn't discuss which computer platform is better?  😛 

 

"It's quite obvious you are both comfortable using VW in your own way36. Why the posturing?",  I muse quietly from the sidelines.   Oops, did I hit Submit?!?   Damn!

 

Raymond

[Jeff Prince]

11 minutes ago, MullinRJ said:

Why the posturing?

It’s a discussion forum.

 

 When somebody suggests an “improvement” that would disrupt other people’s workflows, why wouldn’t you talk about it?

 

Have you nothing valuable to add other than theatrics?  Not that there’s anything wrong with that 😉

 

[MullinRJ]

4 minutes ago, Jeff Prince said:

Have you nothing valuable to add other than theatrics?  Not that there’s anything wrong with that 😉

 

Valuable?   Nope.   Just theatrics. It's Tuesday.

[Jeff Prince]

Just now, MullinRJ said:

 

Valuable?   Nope.   Just theatrics. It's Tuesday.

Fair enough, please carry on 😉

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15 hours ago, Jeff Prince said:

It’s a discussion forum.

 

 When somebody suggests an “improvement” that would disrupt other people’s workflows, why wouldn’t you talk about it?

 

Have you nothing valuable to add other than theatrics?  Not that there’s anything wrong with that 😉

 

 

But bit wouldn't disrupt your workflow.  It would be an OPTION for those that find it annoying, frustrating, counter-intuitive, or simply don't work how you do, @Jeff Prince

 

Do I now act with equal petulence and thumbs-down all your post where I disagree with you?

[Elite Exhibits]

20 hours ago, shorter said:

design layer scale of the 'GA' is 1:50,

 

 

GA ???

 

Peter

[Elite Exhibits]

21 hours ago, Jeff Prince said:

graphic exhibits

 

 

¿ As in Trade Shows ?

 

Peter

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2 hours ago, Elite Exhibits said:

 

 

GA ???

 

Peter

 

From our drawings procedure manual...

 

GA = General Arrangement, defined as a plan, section, or elevation of a building or landscape setting out primary elements, and openings therein.  Secondary elements like doors are shown in outline only, i.e. no manufacturer's DWG detail dump. 

The GA contains annotations and dimensions related to the objects shown (linear dimensions, floor levels, etc), and references other drawings of a smaller scale, i.e. 1:20 englarged areas and room layouts, and 1:5 details where these are not referenced with the 1:20 enlarged area.

 

A GA must always attempt to avoid duplicating information displayed on another drawing, particularly detail, and should be segregated into multiple drawings to avoid overcrowding the drawing, i.e. separate blockwork setting out drawings from drawings displaying door numbers.

 

Further Reading...

 

Working Drawing Handbook by Keith Styles and Andrew Bichard

 

 

as published by the Architectural Press ISBN 0 7506 6372 3.

 

Good examples of what to do and not do in this book.