Correct abbreviation for meters in Scale Bar

[Anders Brix]

The scale bar tool incorrectly shows a capital 'M' for meters. It should be 'm'.

[rDesign]

Links to two older wishlist requests for this, one dates back to 2017. One would think it should be a relatively easy fix.

 

 

[zoomer]

3 hours ago, rDesign said:

One would think it should be a relatively easy fix.

 

Yes, looks like a low hanging fruit.

Unfortunately no one at VW seemed to care about this special type

of fruit.

While otherwise, for wishes for more tedious implementations of

long standing wishes/complaints, over the years we got so many

low hanging fruit features instead where users do not care so much.

 

E.g. wish in 2014 for 2 point perspective/architectural camera, once

brought use camera banking instead at one point (?)

It needs a VW 2025 to finally arrive.

Potentially my most top feature from all VW 2025 features (?)

Except we finally get a Speckle Connector for VW 2025, which would

degrade 2 point perspective to 2nd top feature for me.

Edited August 25 by zoomer

[MullinRJ]

On 8/25/2024 at 8:58 AM, Anders Brix said:

The scale bar tool incorrectly shows a capital 'M' for meters. It should be 'm'.

 

Hello @Anders Brix,

   You can have your "little m" and display it, too. Create a custom unit in the Units Dialog (menu File-> Document Settings-> Units.) Click on the Custom... button. You can call it "Meters" and it will display as "Meters (Custom)" as follows:

 

   To make this a universal change, create a template file and save it as "Meters". Set your favorite Layer Scale, and other attributes, the way you like them (assuming they are not already set), and use menu File-> Save as Template... . This will create a stationary file, with .sta as the file extension, and place it in your User Folder. When you create a new file, select your new template file as shown. The custom Meters units will be defined and selected. You'll get the "small m" when units are displayed throughout the document. 

 

 

Note: When you assign the unit letter (m), you can include a space before it " m", or omit the space. Some people like the unit to abut the numeric value, and some do not. Your choice.

 

HTH,

Raymond

 

 

 

 

[Matt Overton]

So custom reimplementation of a standard because a tool incorrectly applies the actual standard.  
 

That is a bug report not a feature request. 

[MullinRJ]

16 hours ago, Matt Overton said:

So custom reimplementation of a standard because a tool incorrectly applies the actual standard.  
 

That is a bug report not a feature request. 

 

And I thought everyone would be happy that you CAN define a unit standard with the look and feel you desire – TODAY. I'm pretty sure this will be addressed in the future, but rejoice that you don't have to wait for a future release. This is a good thing.  🙂

 

Raymond

[Tom W.]

Unfortunately this is an issue which is specific to the Scale Bar object. My units display as 'mm', 'cm', 'm' + 'km' by default (i.e. without having to set up a Custom Unit) except when I switch from millimetres to metres in a Scale Bar by enabling 'Adjust Units': it goes from 'mm' to 'M' + there's nothing I can do about it.

 

 

I don't think any changes to the Scale Bar tool are scheduled for VW2025...

[MullinRJ]

@Tom W.,

   You have me at a loss. I just tried the Scale Bar tool in multiple units (all standard VW defined), and I always get a small "m" for meters, regardless of the Adjust Units setting. Without access to your system settings I don't know what to suggest. However, you can look directly at the Units Mark for your current Units setting with this one-line Vectorscript.

 

AlrtDialog(concat('Units mark – "', GetPrefString(154), '"'));

 

If it differs from the units mark shown in the Scale Bar tool, then you can definitely point a finger at the tool and/or its settings.

 

Raymond

 

PS - I checked both VW 2024 and 2023 in using Meters as the default unit and they both have a small "m" defined as the unit mark. This is on US Mac version.

Edited September 9 by MullinRJ

[Tom W.]

8 minutes ago, MullinRJ said:

@Tom W.,

   You have me at a loss. I just tried the Scale Bar tool in multiple units (all standard VW defined), and I always get a small "m" for meters, regardless of the Adjust Units setting. Without access to your system settings I don't know what to suggest. However, you can look directly at the Units Mark for your current Units setting with this one-line Vectorscript.

 

AlrtDialog(concat('Units mark – "', GetPrefString(154), '"'));

 

If it differs from the units mark shown in the Scale Bar tool, then you can definitely point a finger at the tool and/or its settings.

 

Raymond

 

PS - I checked both VW 2024 and 2023 in using Meters as the default unit and they both have a small "m" defined as the unit mark. This is on US Mac version.

 

What I am seeing is:

• If my document units are set to millimetres or centimetres, enabling 'Adjust Units' results in an 'M'.
• If my document units are set to metres, enabling 'Adjust Units' results in an 'm' but if my units are already set to metres I've got nothing to adjust them to so this is never going to happen.

Are you seeing something different?

 

It's confusing because each time you change the document units you have to 'reset' the Scale Bar before it responds to the change.

[MullinRJ]

1 hour ago, Tom W. said:

• If my document units are set to millimetres or centimetres, enabling 'Adjust Units' results in an 'M'.

 

Hi @Tom W.,

   It gets curiouser and curiouser each time I go back.

 

   I now see what you are seeing. But only after I toggle the "Adjust Units" checkbox two or three times does the display change to an "M". The first few times I toggle it, I see "mm". Only if I keep toggling it does the unit change to "M".

 

    I then opened a new document in "mm" and placed the Scale Bar. I get an "M" right away. After toggling the "Adjust Units" checkbox several times I finally see "mm" alternating with "M". When I pause several seconds between toggles, the units don't switch, but repeat either mm, mm, mm or M, M, and then they start switching again. I was not able to see a pattern of what was going to display on the next toggle. It's DEFINITELY broken.

 

Raymond

 

Edited September 9 by MullinRJ

[Matt Overton]

8 hours ago, MullinRJ said:

 

And I thought everyone would be happy that you CAN define a unit standard with the look and feel you desire – TODAY. I'm pretty sure this will be addressed in the future, but rejoice that you don't have to wait for a future release. This is a good thing.  🙂

 

Raymond

What can I say. It’s time Vectorworks stopped relying on the kindness of workarounds. 
Bugs like this one producing errors in standard backed information should be fixed in the next 0.1 patch. 

[MullinRJ]

2 hours ago, Matt Overton said:

What can I say. It’s time Vectorworks stopped relying on the kindness of workarounds. 
Bugs like this one producing errors in standard backed information should be fixed in the next 0.1 patch. 

 

Hi @Matt Overton,

   I don't think this issue falls into the category of a workaround. After further investigation by several members in this thread I believe it was determined there really is a bug with the way the Scale Bar tool operates. I'm pretty sure VW will address it promptly. 

 

Raymond

[Tom W.]

42 minutes ago, MullinRJ said:

I'm pretty sure VW will address it promptly. 

 

Well let's hope so given the first request was 7 years ago!

[Pat Stanford]

Did anyone ever file an actual bug report on this? 

[MullinRJ]

I just did. 😉

 

Raymond

[Tom W.]

13 minutes ago, Pat Stanford said:

Did anyone ever file an actual bug report on this? 

 

Good point. But at the same time you'd like to think that with at least three Wishlist items posted on this going back seven years that VW would pick it up themselves + file their own VB if they know it's not WAD. I assumed it was a quirk of the tool so was an enhancement request. The fact is the whole tool needs overhauling + updating + making style-able. I'm sure there have been wishes for this too.

[Petko Georgiev]

Thanks for reporting this. A fix for it was implemented in Update 2.
 

On 8/25/2024 at 6:49 PM, rDesign said:

One would think it should be a relatively easy fix.

It was indeed an easy fix.

[Tom W.]

1 minute ago, Petko Georgiev said:

Thanks for reporting this. A fix for it was implemented in Update 2.
 

It was indeed an easy fix.

 

Much appreciated thank you