ETUD Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 The doors I prepared do not work in VW 2024. Use symbol geometry is not working. Or what should I do to fix this? Untitled 2.vwx Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 When you edit the Door Style 'Use symbol geometry' is not enabled + the symbol referred to doesn't seem to exist in the file: I don't really understand where the Door object is getting its 2D geometry from if the source symbol isn't present. It won't let you delete those components: What happens if you import the 'AL2a-ALUMINYUM' symbol into the file then enable 'Use symbol geometry'? Quote Link to comment
ETUD Posted September 16, 2023 Author Share Posted September 16, 2023 The symbol I prepared in advance does not appear in 2024. Even if I select Use symbol, I cannot rotate the door in plan, etc. Untitled 2.vwx Quote Link to comment
ETUD Posted September 16, 2023 Author Share Posted September 16, 2023 The door rotation add-on in VW 2024 does not work properly. .Doors with added symbols cannot be flipped in the plan. I request that this problem be resolved urgently please. Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I exported your file to VW2023 + can see what you mean. You might be best submitting a bug about it: https://www3.vectorworks.net/vectorworks-bug-report @Matt Panzer were you aware that a Door that uses symbol geometry behaves differently in VW2024 compared to previous versions in that it doesn't respond to flipping? 1 Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Flipping of doors in VW2024 has been completely reworked. My understanding is the prior to VW2024, Flipping a door would rotate/flip the entire object. In VW2024 the door object itself remains in place (interior and extrerior trim remain on the same side of the wall) while the Leaf hinge point and open direction are flipped/rotated. You may have to develop a new workflow for what you want to do. I have not looked at your files so I can't make any exact recommendations. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
ETUD Posted September 18, 2023 Author Share Posted September 18, 2023 Please review the drawing I sent. I cannot now use the doors I prepared for VW 2023 on VW 2024! This situation needs to be corrected. As you said, if only the door leaf rotates, the "use symbol geometry" option should be added to the door leaf section. An additional symbol should be made inside the door frame. Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 @Matt Panzer?? Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted September 18, 2023 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted September 18, 2023 @ETUD, @Tom W., @Pat Stanford, This is a known issue and we're looking into how to better handle this. As Pat mentioned, the handling (or "handing") of door and window objects have been completely reworked so that these objects can no longer be flipped in a wall. Instead, parameters must be used to change handing. Of course, these parameters have no effect on how symbols display with the "Use symbol geometry" option. Quote Link to comment
rDesign Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Since it seems like the custom door symbol workflow has been changed in Vw2024 from previous versions, perhaps a tutorial video on how to properly create custom door symbols in Vw2024 would be helpful? Thanks. 2 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted September 18, 2023 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted September 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, rDesign said: Since it seems like the custom door symbol workflow has been changed in Vw2024 from previous versions, perhaps a tutorial video on how to properly create custom door symbols in Vw2024 would be helpful? Thanks. Currently, the only way to handle this would be to create four different versions of your symbol each representing a different flip state. This is NOT what we expect you to do but it is the only way to get it to work in the initial VW 2024 release. 1 Quote Link to comment
ETUD Posted September 19, 2023 Author Share Posted September 19, 2023 Then we have to unstyled the doors ...! Iam going back to WV2013 Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 @ETUD looks promising... 1 Quote Link to comment
ETUD Posted January 12, 2024 Author Share Posted January 12, 2024 Yes only for single door leaf. Double doors are not able to rotate in or out !!! I really do not understand. Since it is not possible to add user provided 2D components, why is it still in the door settings? This issue is a real problem for 2024. Was it necessary to make this change when there was a flip command? Quote Link to comment
Jay Pettis Posted January 17, 2024 Share Posted January 17, 2024 Maybe this question as been answered, but after many trial and error attempts; I have not been successful in creating a custom door leafs from an imported 3D symbol in VW24. After converting the imported symbol into a new symbol to be exported to the "custom leaves" library, the door symbol disappears when applied using the door tool. All of the appropriate classes are visible. Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment
GatRed Posted June 27, 2024 Share Posted June 27, 2024 On 10/10/2023 at 6:53 PM, Tom W. said: @ETUD looks promising... It seems to work now with the «use symbol geometry». But what about the «user-provided 2D component» ? (without the «use symbol geometry). > this way allows to override the 2D apparence without affecting the 3D apparence. It was working in 2023, but in 2024 I can’t flip them… ( @Matt Panzer?). Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted June 27, 2024 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted June 27, 2024 5 hours ago, GatRed said: It seems to work now with the «use symbol geometry». But what about the «user-provided 2D component» ? (without the «use symbol geometry). > this way allows to override the 2D apparence without affecting the 3D apparence. It was working in 2023, but in 2024 I can’t flip them… ( @Matt Panzer?). This currently working as designed but is something we'd like to investigate improving on. On surface, this may look like a regression but, with the new handing features for doors and windows in VW 2024, the PIO (and its geometry) is no longer flipped as in previous versions. Instead of actually flipping the PIO's handing related parameters are changed to effectively flip it. Because of this, there are many different "left/right" and "in/out" parameters for various configurations and changing those settings will affect how the objects looks. So, flipping the 2D component may not be desired in many cases. Like I said, we would like to improve on this but it will take more investigation. In the meantime, please feel free to post this as a request in the Wishlist - Feature and Content Requests forum so other users can weigh in. 1 Quote Link to comment
GatRed Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 15 hours ago, Matt Panzer said: this may look like a regression but, with the new handing features for doors and windows in VW 2024, the PIO (and its geometry) is no longer flipped as in previous versions. In my case, I have a project which was design with 2023 for the competition. So I converted the file, and all the door were wrong after that. Moreover, it was meaning that our drawing process wasn’t available anymore (as 2D representation of doors and windows doesn’t correspond to our requirements). 15 hours ago, Matt Panzer said: So, flipping the 2D component may not be desired in many cases. But if it is, maybe that should be an option to offer to the user ? Thanks @Matt Panzerfor your feedback. For me windows and doors tool are the weakness of Vectorworks. I posted several topics about problematic limitations, but as I know that developers team are listening to the users. So I’m sure that we will see great enhancements in the near future. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted June 28, 2024 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted June 28, 2024 4 hours ago, GatRed said: 20 hours ago, Matt Panzer said: this may look like a regression but, with the new handing features for doors and windows in VW 2024, the PIO (and its geometry) is no longer flipped as in previous versions. In my case, I have a project which was design with 2023 for the competition. So I converted the file, and all the door were wrong after that. Moreover, it was meaning that our drawing process wasn’t available anymore (as 2D representation of doors and windows doesn’t correspond to our requirements). Right. The design of the new handing features did cause a regression in this particular workflow. I should've said this may look like a bug but it's a limitation of the design. 4 hours ago, GatRed said: 20 hours ago, Matt Panzer said: So, flipping the 2D component may not be desired in many cases. But if it is, maybe that should be an option to offer to the user ? Right. This is something that could possibly be added as an option but we need to investigate the best way to handle it. 4 hours ago, GatRed said: Thanks @Matt Panzerfor your feedback. For me windows and doors tool are the weakness of Vectorworks. I posted several topics about problematic limitations, but as I know that developers team are listening to the users. So I’m sure that we will see great enhancements in the near future. We certainly are aware of many wishes from users and are working hard to address them. There have been quite a number of improvements in recent years and we're continuing that trend. 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment
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