Window - Windoor: How to model something vaguely based in reality?

[cberg]

How would folks use the parametric Window/Windoor tools to make a fairly typical double hung window configuration like this?  I would like to slope the sill.  I can't figure out how to do this in either Windoor or the VW Window tool.  Also is there any way to control the offset of the meeting rails?

 

[Tom W.]

8 hours ago, cberg said:

I would like to slope the sill.

 

Choose 'Timber' Sill Type.

Set 'Height' to overall thickness of sill.

Set 'Sill Lip' to the thickness that it reduces down to at the front of the sill.

Set 'Depth' to the wall thickness plus the amount you want it to project beyond the face of the wall.

Set 'Keep' to the distance from the front of the sash to the back of the wall: this parameter determines where the slope starts.

 

This is the VW Window I'm talking about. I really hope they improve the way sills work ASAP. I think @Matt Panzer said it's something they're working on...

 

1) The sill should extend to the back of the window frame, not the inside face of the Wall. This is how the WinDoor sill behaves. Well really you should be able to apply any offset you want (to set the position of the back of the sill) + it should be relative to the window not the wall.

2) The front of the sill should be relative to the wall i.e. you set an offset relative to the exterior face of the wall + this offset is fixed regardless of the thickness of the wall or where the window is positioned in the wall. At the moment, each time you put a window in a different thickness wall + each time the window offset changes you have to manually adjust the sill parameters whereas this should happen automatically.

3) In Top/Plan the sill obscures Wall Closures: the 2D sill needs to be stacked behind the wall closures.

 

This is using 'Timber' configuration: I know things are slightly different with the other configurations but I don't often use them.

 

The other question re the meeting rail I'm not sure about. I tried configuring a VW hung window recently + found it pretty inflexible so I don't think so. What I actually wanted was to bring the top sash outwards beyond the face of the jamb (to replicate a 'fake' UPVC sash window) but it wouldn't let me do this. I tried doing it using a fanlight + you couldn't offset the sash here either but with WinDoor you can. Not sure about the meeting rails though...

[shorter]

There are additional problems with the integrated cill and lintol (soldier course) when exporting as IFC.

 

Most of the time a cill needs to be identified as a separate object for scheduling if it is not part of the window frame.  VW window does not offer this.  You cannot export the window unit and cill or lintol separately via ifc.

 

Anything non-standard has to be modelled manually and it is possible to model bespoke window arrangements with subtle use of the 'wall hole component'.

Edited August 9, 2023 by shorter

[cberg]

Thanks @Tom W.. 

 

I don't think that solves my problem.  The timber sill settings in VW and Windoor create some sort of wall element under the window frame (highlighted in pink). 

 

The product details in my first post are for a fairly basic Marvin fiberglass window; they show a sloped bottom frame.  This provides space for a screen, and maintains a consistent profile.  See product images below. 

 

[Tom W.]

9 minutes ago, cberg said:

Thanks @Tom W.. 

 

I don't think that solves my problem.  The timber sill settings in VW and Windoor create some sort of wall element under the window frame (highlighted in pink). 

 

The product details in my first post are for a fairly basic Marvin fiberglass window; they show a sloped bottom frame.  This provides space for a screen, and maintains a consistent profile.  See product images below. 

 

 

Aha yes sorry I hadn't picked this up: your sill is the bottom rail of the window frame whereas I was talking about the wall sill that the frame sits on. No you're not going to be able to get a slope with the VW Window. But you will probably have more options with WinDoor because there are more frame/sash settings to play with:

 

 

Or model a custom symbol from scratch...

[Tom W.]

You could insert a WinDoor sliding sash window with the bottom frame member turned off...

 

... then model your own sloping bottom member symbol (integrating wall sill as well if desired) + insert it in the wall underneath the window. As a compromise position between modelling the whole window from scratch. 

[Matt Panzer]

7 hours ago, Tom W. said:

This is the VW Window I'm talking about. I really hope they improve the way sills work ASAP. I think @Matt Panzer said it's something they're working on...

 

There are some improvements being looked at for sills but these improvements will not add an integrated sill into the frame like this.