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Grouping of Layers - PLEASE


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8 hours ago, Tom W. said:

The Roadmap has stopped letting me submit feedback. I hit the Submit button + nothing happens. Tried on two different browsers + it's the same.

 

I wondered about the 'Submit Your Idea' button as well. I guess it's to allow people who aren't on the Forum to contribute.

 


I just tried with the same result as you: I can’t submit any feedback on the Roadmap.

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10 minutes ago, Jeff Prince said:

Maybe you guys got your quota 😉

You just submitted feedback for the first time successfully.  Maybe it is because you are or appear to be digitally outside the US?

 

It just worked for me on one card (AI Chat), but not another (Stair Reengineering). I'm digitally inside the US.

 

Maybe it knows that I already commented once on a card, and won't let me comment a second time?

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12 minutes ago, rDesign said:

 

It just worked for me on one card (AI Chat), but not another (Stair Reengineering). I'm digitally inside the US.

 

Maybe it knows that I already commented once on a card, and won't let me comment a second time?

 

It's definitely playing up. When I first opened a card it disappeared halfway through my comment + I had to start again. Second time I managed to submit but took two clicks of the button. Tried another card + it disappeared halfway through. That's enough tries for me 🙂

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50 minutes ago, Tom W. said:

 

It's definitely playing up. When I first opened a card it disappeared halfway through my comment + I had to start again. Second time I managed to submit but took two clicks of the button. Tried another card + it disappeared halfway through. That's enough tries for me 🙂

 

I wonder if the CEO of Vectorworks reads through the forum anymore.  You would think these years of complaints and problems would be a call to action from the top down.

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I just filed this VE-106566:

 

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With large files that contain many layers, it would be great to have the ability to organize Design Layers and Sheet Layers into some sort of containers or groups. Because there are already so many similar terms for 'grouping' things together, I propose that Layers could be conglomerated into Drawers, which is analogous to organizing drawings and prints into flat file drawers.

 

A drawer would be like a folder, and each layer could live in one drawer only, or not in any drawers. A user could drag layers into drawers via the Organization or Navigation Palettes. Drawers should be collapsible via little triangles so you can condense layers that aren't relevant in the current phase of design.

 

Drawers should NOT rely on prefixes or hyphens or anything related to how Class nesting works.

 

Performing a Search in the Layers Search field would show all Layer results regardless of Drawer state (as though everything were uncollapsed) and if a Drawer's name contains the search term it would appear in the results in a collapsed state, and a user could uncollapse that Drawer to show all contained layers (even if the contained layers don't include the search term). For example, I might want to use search field to find my Prelim Hallway Plan; it's in a drawer labeled Prelim but the Sheet Layer is just named "Hallway Plan", so if I search "Prelim" it'd show me the Prelim Drawer and I could expand it to choose my "Hallway Plan" Sheet Layer.

 

A user should be able to right click a Drawer to edit the Setting of all contained layers (same as currently selecting multiple then choosing Edit).

 

For Sheet Layer Drawers, a user should be able to right click a Layer Drawer and have the option to Publish all contained drawings.

 

For Design Layer Drawers, in the Navigation palette a user could click the Visible/Gray/Invisible column for the Drawer line item to affect the visibility of all contained Design Layers. When a Drawer contains Design Layers of varying visibilities, the Drawer line item would show dots in any relevant visibility columns.

 

For Design Layer Drawers, consideration would have to be given in regards to how drawers correlate (or don't correlate) with Design Layer stacking order. Do entire drawers stack on top of each other? Or can the stacking order be intermixed amongst different drawers? And how does sorting the Navigation Palette via different column headers work?

 

A Drawer would be a container only, and no objects could live directly on a 'Drawer' - they must live on Design Layers or Sheet Layers as they currently do. All other current functionality of Layers would remain unchanged; it is purely an organizational tool.

 

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On 9/19/2024 at 8:15 PM, Andy Broomell said:

I just filed this VE-106566:

 

 

This is such a nice way of formatting the whole 'folder' business. It even gives Vectorworks a 'niche' product because they have the 'Drawer' function. It could also add to the visibility of layers and design, as you would be able to slide drawers next to each other thus creating a collapsible visual representation of your building and all the layers.

 

Furthermore, being able to select certain type of layers in the drawers you are able to quickly make your plotting preferences regarding electrical, engineering, design elements drawing sets. 

 

Definitely my favorite post on this forum.

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They need to implement this asap. Currently it's about 20 years late. 

 

Without this I will always argue that Vectorworks is not BIM software. BIM standing for Building Information Modelling / Management. There is currently not enough ways to manage such large amounts of information in Vectorworks through the use of a folder structure as you can see demonstrated in @Ross Harris' post above in Revit. The same is achivable in Archicad too. 

 

Imagine removing any folder structure from your computer overall. It's so nonsensical and would lead to such massive inefficiencies you would scream almost daily...🙄

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Getting a little over my skis here - but what would be really cool is to have connected sister sheets - or mirrored sheets where the content is the same - so you could have Site Plan in 2 different collections - maybe with different sheet number as that set requires - but still make sure the content is the same.  We would have a Construction Set, Building Set, DOB Set, LPC Set - some of the pages between those sets would be identical - some would not. image.png.0a6599165707cc2ac26f537e5121931f.png

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On 8/18/2024 at 4:09 AM, Tom W. said:

OK got it:

 

Materials allow you to turn a model that looks like it is made from certain products/materials into one which is made from those products/materials.

 

I do not know if you would be willing to share a dummy file of a dog house or something that shows how you do this - I have never been able to understand how to get the investment back when trying implement materials - and so am so curious to see how you set it up and how you are extracting that information back out.

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1 hour ago, Tom Klaber said:

 

I do not know if you would be willing to share a dummy file of a dog house or something that shows how you do this - I have never been able to understand how to get the investment back when trying implement materials - and so am so curious to see how you set it up and how you are extracting that information back out.

 

I don't really have a suitable file to send you but I think this post sets out fairly comprehensively the returns (in my case at least) you get on using Materials:

 

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1 hour ago, Tom Klaber said:

Getting a little over my skis here - but what would be really cool is to have connected sister sheets - or mirrored sheets where the content is the same - so you could have Site Plan in 2 different collections - maybe with different sheet number as that set requires - but still make sure the content is the same.  We would have a Construction Set, Building Set, DOB Set, LPC Set - some of the pages between those sets would be identical - some would not. image.png.0a6599165707cc2ac26f537e5121931f.png

 

 

You can sort-of do this using "saved sets" within the "Publish" command.

 

Unfortunately it's very difficult to get a clear overview of what's actually in all of your saved sets because all you have is this tiny dialogue... and if you want to see what's in one of those sets you have to recall it.

 

Even just having an improved "Saved Sets" interface would go a long way to providing what's described above.

 

And then, being able to access those "saved sets" as part of the sheet layers navigation dialogue. That would make it quite a bit easier to keep on top of things when there are large numbers of sheet layers.

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