Problem rotation parametric symbol

[Raph]

Hello everyone,

I have recently created a series of parametric symbols to make walls, see attached file.

Unfortunately, when I want to rotate (90°, 180°, 270°) these symbols Vectorworks does not like it.

The program crashes or the Marionette network disconnects and becomes invisible.

Has anyone encountered this problem before?

How to solve this dilemma?

Thank you in advance for your feedback

Best regards

Raph

Pan_ParamSymb_VW2022.vwx Pan_ParamSymb_VW2023.vwx

[Raph]

It is really strange

I have the impression that the network disconnects when I rotate the symbol

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Raph

[Raph]

Hello to all,
When I import a parametric symbol in a new drawing I have a display error.

Often the result is not displayed and the Marionette network is completely messed up.

Does anyone have an idea?
How do you do it?

greetings

Raph

[Stephan Moenninghoff]

You can select all of the nodes in your network and then scale by the factor of your layer scale. That should return the network to a workable spacing.

[Raph]

Hi Stephan
Thanks for your answer

This will solve the network display problem.

 

But the basic problem is more annoying.
in fact each time I import a new parametric symbol, I must to open it and go to the Marionette network.

Otherwise the symbol remains invisible

Is there anyone who regularly uses parametric symbols and this happens to them too?
Is there a solution to this problem?

Thanks

[Stephan Moenninghoff]

8 hours ago, Raph said:

Hi Stephan
Thanks for your answer

This will solve the network display problem.

 

But the basic problem is more annoying.
in fact each time I import a new parametric symbol, I must to open it and go to the Marionette network.

Otherwise the symbol remains invisible

Is there anyone who regularly uses parametric symbols and this happens to them too?
Is there a solution to this problem?

Thanks

Do you mean a Marionette object when you say 'parametric symbol'?

I wanted to have a look at your file but it seems like the file is already broken. Do you have one that is still intact?

[Raph]

22 hours ago, Stephan Moenninghoff said:

Do you mean a Marionette object when you say 'parametric symbol'?

I wanted to have a look at your file but it seems like the file is already broken. Do you have one that is still intact?

Hi Stephan,

Yes it is a Marionette object in a symbol.

The object is first created with Marionette and then I created a symbol with it.

When creating the symbol there is an option to compile it in "parametric" mode

In fact by importing it from the library on the current drawing and after a modification (rotation, dimension parameter, etc) the symbol disappears.

I have to go to the drawing resources and open the symbol with the edit function.

And there, if all goes well, it reappears.

grrr

I put a symbol here

 

Symbol_test.vwx

[Stephan Moenninghoff]

I tried really hard to break it but couldn't.

Here's what I did:

Rotated the Marionette Object

Removed style and rotated

Created a new style from the unstyled object

Rotated

Everything looks good. Do you have any steps to reproduce? Maybe a short movie?

Thanks

[Raph]

On 2/6/2023 at 12:21 PM, Stephan Moenninghoff said:

I tried really hard to break it but couldn't.

Here's what I did:

Rotated the Marionette Object

Removed style and rotated

Created a new style from the unstyled object

Rotated

Everything looks good. Do you have any steps to reproduce? Maybe a short movie?

Thanks

 

Hi Stephan,

Thank you for your tests

Did you try to take the symbol from my file and move it to a new file or an existing file of yours?

We are working with a library of symbols that we have created with our own resources.

The problems appear when moving these symbols from the library to our new plan.

Thanks in advance

greetings

 

Raph

[Stephan Moenninghoff]

3 hours ago, Raph said:

Did you try to take the symbol from my file and move it to a new file or an existing file of yours?

Yes, I did that. The only difference I saw was when pasting to a file that was set up to use imperial units. It changed the dimensions of the "Zarge" objects. But it did not break it. A video would help, I think.

[DomC]

The File was saved with SP2, maybe first try Updating on SP3.
Also I can't see the issue in SP2 and SP3. But I saw this kind of errors in early SPS of VW 2023. I reported a lot of them they are all fixed. Please try to exactly find out, what steps are necessary to got the broken result.

 

[Raph]

Hi veryone,

 

I tested and here is a video where the symbol disappears (1:26)

https://kdrive.infomaniak.com/app/share/117888/bcaff1b6-45f6-4e0a-8865-a7676ce7085f
In this case it's not so bad because by editing the Marionette network the symbol is recomposed.

This is still problematic because in the office where I work my colleagues are not as interested as I am.

They will probably tell me that it's bad and that it doesn't work.

 

@DomC

I just installed SP3 this morning

I will do a small study to know more precisely when these parametric symbols disintegrate.
Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate very much to exchange on these subjects
greetings

 

Raph

 

 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by Raph

[DomC]

OK I can reproduce two issues. Wich looks not like a messed up script it looks like an issue with the style duplication and replacement on a new document.

1. Importing Style to new Document and edit the object or insert a second one

2. import and Edit the style and import and replace new from source

The Styles Marionette PIOs are a new System since VW 2023. Before that we got the workaround with Script-Symbols inside of the PIOs which worked quite good at the end. It is very hard do foresee all workflow and issues in development and so I think the styles need a little time to loose the growing pains. 

I will bug-submit those two issues.

 

[Raph]

Thank you DomC for your feedback and your explanations.

I will see if we can integrate the styles in the base file we are working on.

 

greetings

Raph