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Originally posted by bruce johansen:

plan a was a waste of time , plan b did not give the results or not the right ones, what would plan c be? any suggestion? back to paper and pencil? back to maxlux? or what?

Bruce,

I understand that you are frustrated. Also we all want and need answers right away, but give us a chance to answer your questions and give some of our suggestions a try before you give up on us. Also, the manual is presented in a sequential order. I'd suggest, especially to people new to VectorWorks and SpotLight, to just sit down and do a really simple plot, following the SpotLight manual step-by-step. It will take you through the basics of the program and covers all elements of plot creation. It should only take 20 minutes or so, especially since you can skip import/export and visualization at first.

HTH

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Kacey Fisher

Quality Assurance Specialist

Integrated Products Group

Nemetschek North America

[This message has been edited by kacey1 (edited 08-23-2001).]

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Originally posted by kacey1:

Bruce,

I understand that you are frustrated. Also we all want and need answers right away, but give us a chance to answer your questions and give some of our suggestions a try before you give up on us. Also, the manual is presented in a sequential order. I'd suggest, especially to people new to VectorWorks and SpotLight, to just sit down and do a really simple plot, following the SpotLight manual step-by-step. It will take you through the basics of the program and covers all elements of plot creation. It should only take 20 minutes or so, especially since you can skip import/export and visualization at first.

HTH


when i decided to move from maclux to vw, i knew i was in for quite a learning curve.i started with vw8. I moved to sl 8.5 about a 1 1/2 months ago. then vwsl 9.01 3 weeks ago. last 1 1/2 months i put in about a 100 hours.

i have done chapter 1-2-3 in vw + assorted ponctuel subjects. i have even done the little house twice.i have read and plotted simply in 8.5 and in 9.01.

my posting "create symbol" demonstrate that i do have a handle on parts of the sl manuel.

kmoorel's answer confirms that the approche i used was labor intensive and did not fault the actions.

my second posting "plan b" (which turns out to be an hybrid of kmoorel's suggested solution). kaceyl's answer to the first part is pertinent and i will watch for it. MY second part was twofold:#1 when i used the dimensioning tool to find the exact spacing between two light positions, (so that i could give a precise value in duplicate array to duplicate 9 parcans to other light.pos.,) the dimendion lines were not selectable, they were part of that layer but not selectable.#2 i inserted light. ins.(fresnel) onto a light pos at about 13'6". in the OI it was at 13'6.584". i corrected that value to 13'6". inserted an other and corrected to 11'6". when i reselected the fresnel it was at 13'6". 1/2 hour lated when i selected it it was at 13'6.202" what are the possible causes of that: operator error, fluke....

part #3 was an odd behavior of the label manager.Would a quicktime movie of my screen help in any way. as for the zooming out, tried that first of: no go. so yes i'm frustrated.i can't get something as simple as a plot with lighting instruments on a pipe with a gel and channel number and a factual instument key all to scale, then generate a hanging report were i would find tongue.gifipe#, instrument #, ins type, position (feet and inches) relative to center, channel,dimmer and gel number, without what seems to me at this time an excess of pain. i can see all the potential of vw, but to access it is overly difficult at this time.

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when i decided to move from maclux to vw, i knew i was in for quite a learning curve.i started with vw8. I moved to sl 8.5 about a 1 1/2 months ago. then vwsl 9.01 3 weeks ago. last 1 1/2 months i put in about a 100 hours.

i have done chapter 1-2-3 in vw + assorted ponctuel subjects. i have even done the little house twice.i have read and plotted simply in 8.5 and in 9.01.

So, you have read most of the manual!! Good for you, because quite often users don't like to do that. Let's see if we can't track down some of your problems and make it easier for you.

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my posting "create symbol" demonstrate that i do have a handle on parts of the sl manuel.

kmoorel's answer confirms that the approche i used was labor intensive and did not fault the actions.

my second posting "plan b" (which turns out to be an hybrid of kmoorel's suggested solution). kaceyl's answer to the first part is pertinent and i will watch for it. MY second part was twofold:#1 when i used the dimensioning tool to find the exact spacing between two light positions, (so that i could give a precise value in duplicate array to duplicate 9 parcans to other light.pos.,) the dimendion lines were not selectable, they were part of that layer but not selectable.


My thought here is that dimensions are not always exactly on. This is due to the user not hitting the points exactly and any rounding that the dimension may do. For example I drew a line that was 13'3.77" and when I dimensioned it, it read as 13'4.5." When I looked closer, it was because I didn't hit the points exactly. That could be one reason.

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#2 i inserted light. ins.(fresnel) onto a light pos at about 13'6". in the OI it was at 13'6.584". i corrected that value to 13'6". inserted an other and corrected to 11'6". when i reselected the fresnel it was at 13'6". 1/2 hour lated when i selected it it was at 13'6.202" what are the possible causes of that: operator error, fluke....

Yes, this could be a fluke; I have not yet been able to duplicate it here. I'm surprised that you'd want to be that exact also. If you just want to get your instruments to line up to one another, you'd be better of using the align and distribute command. (Page 3-7 of the manual)

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part #3 was an odd behavior of the label manager.Would a quicktime movie of my screen help in any way. as for the zooming out, tried that first of: no go.


I tried this on my mac and found if I use the scroll arrows, it will toggle on and off the plus sign for the last selected field. (This has been entered as a bug.) The temporary solution is to use the scroll "bar" instead of the arrows.

I hope that helps a bit, and good luck. I hope you stick with it and find that SpotLight will work for you.

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Kacey Fisher

Quality Assurance Specialist

Integrated Products Group

Nemetschek North America

[This message has been edited by kacey1 (edited 08-23-2001).]

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