FBernardo Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Hi all, What happened to the Space tool in VW 2023 ?? When I place the space I can edit the name of the space and other features, but then after deselect it I cannot go back and edit that name, etc... It just selects as if it was a Data Tag, is this Intentional ? Here I just placed the Space object and I can edit and even in the top of the OIP it shows "SPACE" in the object. After I deselect and select it again, a new icon shows up where the arrow is pointing (I'm guessing this might give some options to edit? But I cannot click or don't know how to access these settings), in the OIP the name has changed from "SPACE" to "DATA TAG" and all the previous options have disappeared... My question is how can I go back after deselect to edit the name ??? When I select the option "EDIT TAG DATA" it shows the following screen, but as you can see everything is locked and I cannot edit it... Quote Link to comment
Silvano Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 You can set up a space perimeter line and click on it. Quote Link to comment
MarcelP102 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Space tool had a major downgrade in 2023. There are multiple topics on the forum already complaining about the tool. The fact you cannot edit the field when double click the tag is a lost opportunity.. would eliminate a lot of time searching for the fields in the OIP. My major complain is that there is no easy way to reshape the space contour when clicking on the label. Often we hide the space lines so we cannot select those and have to click on the label to enter reshape. This only works with VW2022 or lower. It's so frustrating that we decided not to upgrade to VW2023 for now. Revit gives the spaces a invincible cross that highlights when you move your mouse cursor above it. So you can select the space and reshape it. This could also work for Vectorworks. @Matt Panzer will the space tool get any improvements with a SP? Since there is a lot of workflow issues with the 'improved' tool. See multiple topics on the forum. Edited January 10, 2023 by MarcelP102 2 Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted January 10, 2023 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted January 10, 2023 23 minutes ago, MarcelP102 said: Space tool had a major downgrade in 2023. There are multiple topics on the forum already complaining about the tool. The fact you cannot edit the field when double click the tag is a lost opportunity.. would eliminate a lot of time searching for the fields in the OIP. My major complain is that there is no easy way to reshape the space contour when clicking on the label. Often we hide the space lines so we cannot select those and have to click on the label to enter reshape. This only works with VW2022 or lower. It's so frustrating that we decided not to upgrade to VW2023 for now. Revit gives the spaces a invincible cross that highlights when you move your mouse cursor above it. So you can select the space and reshape it. This could also work for Vectorworks. @Matt Panzer will the space tool get any improvements with a SP? Since there is a lot of workflow issues with the 'improved' tool. See multiple topics on the forum. The Space object is not developed under my team but I don't believe any changes will be coming in a SP. 1 Quote Link to comment
MarcelP102 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Ah ok, thanks for the update. Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, MarcelP102 said: My major complain is that there is no easy way to reshape the space contour when clicking on the label. Often we hide the space lines so we cannot select those and have to click on the label to enter reshape. This only works with VW2022 or lower. Similar to @Silvano I give my Spaces a 2D Boundary (i.e. a solid fill) which makes them easy to select. It's controlled by class + I have a Saved View to easily access them when I want to edit them. Most of the time the Spaces + Data Tags are hidden + I just turn on the labels in VPs. I am quite happy that they now use Data Tags. But perhaps I am just lucky with the (simple) way I use the tool compared to other people. Quote Link to comment
FBernardo Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) @Tom W. @Silvano I understand that option, and you can use it like that but you have to remember to go and select that line, when in VW 2022 you just selected the Label and you would have access to the same options as if you select the boundary lines, We usually use the space label with no lines or fill just the label, and when you want to resize it you would select the label and the points would show and you could, now you cannot, you select the label and that label is just the label... I get the way of using with classes, but instead of having just one class for the space label, now i would have to create like 3 classes, one for line, fill and label?? this is just more classes to the already extensive list of classes that if you go in a BIM direction you already have like a few thousand per project... @Matt Panzer i've had created a Jira report VB-192101 Edited January 10, 2023 by FBernardo Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, FBernardo said: i've had created a Jira report VB-192101 What is the bug exactly? Quote Link to comment
FBernardo Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Tom W. said: What is the bug exactly? I reported as a bug, but it seems that in correct terms is a downgrade of the functionality on the tool, at the time I created that bug report I thought it would be a bug and not a downgrade of the tool. Quote Link to comment
Vectorworks, Inc Employee Matt Panzer Posted January 10, 2023 Vectorworks, Inc Employee Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, FBernardo said: I reported as a bug, but it seems that in correct terms is a downgrade of the functionality on the tool, at the time I created that bug report I thought it would be a bug and not a downgrade of the tool. I believe the bug report will come back as “working as designed”. Probably the best bet would be to submit this as an enhancement request (or post on the WishList forum). The problem is due to the space labels being added as separate associated data tags. This is a considerable improvement over the previous version but does have the unfortunate side effect for the workflow you describe. Maybe there could be a way to select objects associted to a data tag via context a menu command - or something like that. Quote Link to comment
cberg Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I think VW needs to host a Webinar or develop a VW University course to help the community better understand how the Space Tool is now designed to work. The "improvements" that were implemented broke a lot of previous workflows. 3 Quote Link to comment
FBernardo Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Matt Panzer said: I believe the bug report will come back as “working as designed”. Probably the best bet would be to submit this as an enhancement request (or post on the WishList forum). The problem is due to the space labels being added as separate associated data tags. This is a considerable improvement over the previous version but does have the unfortunate side effect for the workflow you describe. Maybe there could be a way to select objects associted to a data tag via context a menu command - or something like that. Hi Matt, I can only understand the "considerable improvement" when someone actually explains or shows the whole new functionality as of now it became almost useless tool for our workflow... Quote Link to comment
MarcelP102 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Matt Panzer said: Maybe there could be a way to select objects associted to a data tag via context a menu command - or something like that. Idea 1 Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't use the data tag tool at all, when you press the reshape tool when selecting a data tag nothing happens. The reshape tool get's activated but you can not reshape the data tag. Why don't make it so that the reshape tool gets activated for the object associated with the data tag? This can be a space, but also a wall or window or whatever. So bringing back the reshape possibility when selecting the space label. And also improving the workflow for other objects. Idea 2 And please make it so that when we input the value in the pop-up of the data tag that this info gets changed in the assosiated space Can anyone make an enhancement request? I can only do this with my local reseller and I'm not really convinced that this request will make it to VW USA. Edited January 10, 2023 by MarcelP102 Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Write this up as a post in the Wishlist Forum. Quote Link to comment
MarcelP102 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Pat Stanford said: Write this up as a post in the Wishlist Forum. Done, please upvote: https://forum.vectorworks.net/index.php?/topic/104627-let-the-reshape-tool-edit-associated-object-when-selecting-a-data-tag/ and https://forum.vectorworks.net/index.php?/topic/104628-make-the-data-tag-input-pop-up-change-space-information/ Quote Link to comment
MarcelP102 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 - facepalm - You can click the in red highlighted shape of the space when selecting the tag... also when the lines and fill are set to none. 2 Quote Link to comment
Silvano Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 In fact, a perimeter line isn't even necessary because once the space tag is clicked, this overlay line that appears and highlights the 2D boundary of the object and, once clicked, selects the space object itself. I just think that is more practical to choose the space label directly in the popup in the OIP of the space itself (at VW 22), but now, you must choose in the selector panel that opens from the OIP of the tag. Quote Link to comment
FBernardo Posted January 14, 2023 Author Share Posted January 14, 2023 My Comment in this post has a video that shows the engineer explaining the tool. 1 Quote Link to comment
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