TMM Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 what is the best way to create a parapet wall? Do I make a wall and cap the top of the wall with a slab? Or do I make extrude a profile along a path, but how do I make that into a hybrid symbol? Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 You make a normal styled Wall with the parapet style for the lower height. Then you set your Layer Cut Height to more than your parapet Wall height. This way, in Top Plan View, you will look at your parapet wall from top while your higher regular Walls become a Section-like appearance and show all components. Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, zoomer said: Then you set your Layer Cut Height to more than your parapet Wall height. What the!? I've always used class attributes of the wall to make sure my parapets look correct in plan. How long have we had this option? 😆 Edited September 22, 2022 by Christiaan Quote Link to comment
Christiaan Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Zoomer's suggestion is perfect for simple work and making sure plans look correct. If you need them to show accurately in elevations and sections then I would model them. And depending on what material they are I would use different methods. Simple extrudes made into auto hybrid symbol. Extrude along path made into auto hybrid symbol, especially if the profile in section needs to convey a pressed aluminium capping. You can also use an additional wall object, which I use when I have a brick coping and want to apply a soldier course texture to it. 1 hour ago, TMM said: Or do I make extrude a profile along a path, but how do I make that into a hybrid symbol? AEC > Create Auto Hybrid Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Christiaan said: How long have we had this option? 😆 I think a few VW versions but not that long .... 1 Quote Link to comment
zoomer Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, Christiaan said: Zoomer's suggestion is perfect for simple work and making sure plans look correct. There is also the Window option to make it a Clerestory Window, something I missed for a year or two .... Quote Link to comment
TMM Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 For a drawing like this, do i make simple extrusion and model the elements and make them into a hybrid symbol? I don't think by assigning components to the walls would achieve this. Am I right? Quote Link to comment
shorter Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Coping = Extrude along path. Easy to edit. Or, if precast, a repeating symbol. Quote Link to comment
TMM Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Can you layer components of materials in the extruded volumn? All I can do right now is just assign a material without being able to manipulate its components. Also, is this level of detail in parapet possible to be achieved in vectorwork 3d modeling? Quote Link to comment
line-weight Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, TMM said: Can you layer components of materials in the extruded volumn? All I can do right now is just assign a material without being able to manipulate its components. Also, is this level of detail in parapet possible to be achieved in vectorwork 3d modeling? In a regular extrude, you can have multiple "profile" objects with different attributes and these will be preserved in the 3d object that is produced. However in a typical Vectorworks consistency the same is not true of an extrude-along-path (I think - someone might correct me). So you have to extrude each component individually. And of course this is a pain if you want to retrospectively edit the "path" because you have to do so for each component. As far as 3d modelling is concerned this is where you have a choice - yes in theory you can achieve that level of detail all in 3d (so you can cut your detail section through the model and not need to add anything), or you can model (for example) only the outermost layers in 3d (so it all looks right in elevation) but then add the internal sectional detail as 2d annotations, on the sectional details. I would say it's a bit of an art, striking the right balance between stuff modelled in 3d and stuff added as 2d annotation. Note that another option is to fully 3d-model the outermost components, then only 3d-model a strategic portion(s) of the internal components - basically, only where you are going to cut your section. In that case you could model the internal components as "regular" extrudes not EAPs. Quote Link to comment
Pat Stanford Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I just tried in VW2023 (and I believe it is the same in 2022 and earlier) and I was able to extrude a circle, rectangle and hexagon along a path in a single step. End when I edited the relative position of the profile objects the EAP recreated to match. Quote Link to comment
shorter Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 6 hours ago, line-weight said: In a regular extrude, you can have multiple "profile" objects with different attributes and these will be preserved in the 3d object that is produced. However in a typical Vectorworks consistency the same is not true of an extrude-along-path (I think - someone might correct me). So you have to extrude each component individually. And of course this is a pain if you want to retrospectively edit the "path" because you have to do so for each component. As far as 3d modelling is concerned this is where you have a choice - yes in theory you can achieve that level of detail all in 3d (so you can cut your detail section through the model and not need to add anything), or you can model (for example) only the outermost layers in 3d (so it all looks right in elevation) but then add the internal sectional detail as 2d annotations, on the sectional details. I would say it's a bit of an art, striking the right balance between stuff modelled in 3d and stuff added as 2d annotation. Note that another option is to fully 3d-model the outermost components, then only 3d-model a strategic portion(s) of the internal components - basically, only where you are going to cut your section. In that case you could model the internal components as "regular" extrudes not EAPs. That’s going to be way too detailed for anything other than a model for your own use. Quote Link to comment
Tom W. Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 8 hours ago, TMM said: Can you layer components of materials in the extruded volumn? All I can do right now is just assign a material without being able to manipulate its components. Also, is this level of detail in parapet possible to be achieved in vectorwork 3d modeling? @jeff prince gives a good example in the post below of how you can use EAP to create complex assemblies of the type you're describing should you want/need to model it in that much detail: 1 Quote Link to comment
line-weight Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, Tom W. said: @jeff prince gives a good example in the post below of how you can use EAP to create complex assemblies of the type you're describing should you want/need to model it in that much detail: Ah yes I remember that. It's a good way of creating the multiple components relatively quickly. However it is still the case that later editing the path is tedious as you have to do it for each component individually. Quote Link to comment
line-weight Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 hours ago, shorter said: That’s going to be way too detailed for anything other than a model for your own use. In my experience it is sometimes worth it. It depends very much on the building, things like how many repeated details there are. 1 Quote Link to comment
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