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  1. 20 hours ago, line-weight said:

     

    Well, here's some screenshots of what they look like for a project I'm working on at the moment.

     

    NB I put an *asterix at the beginning of all my own classes, so that they stay at the top of the list and I try and ignore the various junk classes at the bottom - all classes with no asterix are ones that VW automatically makes, many of which I'm not entirely sure what they do but I just leave them alone.

     

    They are always due a bit of tidying up. But what you see here is my current working balance of chaos/organisation.

     

    In general I find this system works ok.

     

    I make intensive use of the "2d" and "materials" classes and less use of the "objects" ones. If I were starting again from scratch there would be some things I'd do slightly differently. I am not yet using VW's own "materials" feature. At some point soon I will decide whether to switch to that, in which case my whole classing approach might change somewhat.

     

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    oh the delights of non-compliance! 😉

  2. Which version of Vectorworks are you using?

     

    Door objects cannot be associated i.e. linked to any storey level, such that if the storey level changes, the door changes it's position.  Doors have a 'Z' level in the object info palette.

     

    They are placed at the bottom of the wall they are inserted into.

     

    If you create a symbol of a door, the symbol can be associated to a storey level.  It is a shame the same does not apply to doors.

     

    You have to manually set the level at which the door is inserted if it is not at the base of the wall.  Change the 'Z' value in the object info palette..

     

    The wall, though, can be associated with the storey and moves with it.  If the wall moves, because the storey elevation changes, so does the wall within it.

     

    This sort of makes sense since if the wall moves, you would not want the door to stay where it is, in general.

     

    If you change the storey level associated to the wall, the door object in the wall stays where it is though.

  3. Often single walls don't cut it (no pun intended).

     

    CLT construction for example usually has a different S.O. to the brickwork opening and we have built many models with multiple walls, rather than one single wall with components.

     

    Currently the VW window assumes the S.O. is the same straight through the wall.  This is rarely the case.

     

    Therefore creating separate walls, and separate openings, and having the window hosted by the wall that it is fixed to, gets around this problem but it can get complicated.

     

     

    One window to rule them all, is what we want, what we really, really want.

  4. On 10/17/2022 at 9:22 AM, Christiaan said:

    This is from the 2020 NBS National BIM Report, although it's in the context on BIM.

     

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    One year this looked very different, and the charts showed Vectorworks at 30% (if I recall correctly).  The NBS then threw cold water on their own survey saying there must have been an error for Vectorworks use to be so high!

  5. 20 hours ago, line-weight said:

    If one could know (and we can't) that there would be a reliable supply of second hand licences well into the future then a viable strategy might be to buy a secondhand perpetual licence every 2 or 3 years, skipping 2-3 versions ahead at each stage. And you could choose to buy these such that they were already at their final SP release for each version.

     

    It will be interesting to see what the going price tends to be, for a secondhand copy of VW, now. Due the fact that you can no longer use it as a step along an upgrade path, it ought to be rather lower than it was a few years ago.

     

    I am not sure it is, with some asking £1500 for 2021, for example!

  6. 12 hours ago, Tom W. said:

     

    If I am generating a block plan for a planning application where there's a requirement to show site levels I find it convenient to just add them to that plan (as Stakes in the VP). Then I can position them + size them exactly where I want them. In a similar way I am also adding Elevation Benchmarks to VPs as well because I'm not using Stories (which for this reason I need to start doing...). But that's not to say I won't place Stakes on the DL as well, but they are more for my own reference + won't work their way into any VPs. I just think it's useful to have the option of placing these things in either space depending on your needs. Generally speaking I put all my annotations in VPs.

     

    Yes.  We used to do this (put all annotations in the sheet layer viewport), but since the advent of page-based symbols, and the fact that often critical dimensioning and annotation (room names, door numbers, etc) needed to be in model space (to be able to share it with consultants) we reserve all paperspace annotation to that which is specific to that drawing, and annotation falls into three categories and these three categories decide where they are placed.

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  7. 12 hours ago, Alien said:

     

    Hello everyone!

     

    I just visited first time VectorWorks webpage with intention of buying lifetime licence. Have been working with AutoCAD for decades (Intel based Macs) but wanted to switch now to VectorWorks since I switched to Apple silicon chip and because of the Spotlight and possibility to pre-do my shows on GrandMA3.

    I see there is no use of skipping from AutoCAD to VectorWorks. Thank you but no thank you.

     

    p.s. Andrew Anagnost and Biplab Sarkar having brunch(at Maldives) at costs of the end-users. 

    p.p.s. I will just go to the venues and spend the time working interactively on the desk.

     

    Goodbye.

     

    You can buy a secondhand license.  They are perpetual.  Clearly you don't need to up to date technology if you use AutoCAD so buy a 2024 license secondhand and sit on it for the next 8 years.

  8. On 1/13/2024 at 9:57 AM, Tom W. said:

    It would be great if a Data Tag could 'see' a Site Model in a VP as I don't like putting this kind of stuff on the DL

     

    Interesting... Levels are key 'working dimensions' like blockwork setting out, that for me, are placed to confirm and check decisions made in model space.  Cannot imagine them being useful in the sheet layer annotation where you cannot issue them in coordinated modelspace either.

  9. 27 minutes ago, line-weight said:

    I think I would try and use grid lines & elevation benchmarks as my checks that things had not moved.

     

     

     

    You shouldn't need to do this.  You don't for standard viewports.  This is why we need a 'lock position' and also X, Y and Z feedback for section viewports in the OIP.  It does not make any sense not having this information.

     

    The easiest way to check if a design layer viewport has moved is to check it's coordinates.  If they are not all 0, it's been moved.  If it's been moved it is no longer coordinated.

     

    The easiest way to put it in the right i.e. coordinated place? Set X, Y and Z to 0.

     

    Remember one of the reasons why BIM has reared it's ugly head is because of "the design team's inability to coordinate the design properly".  Not my words.

     

    That said, even with BIM perhaps 10% of consultants we come across using BIM software actually issue coordinated data, and perhaps 1% do so in both 2D and 3D.

     

    The frustrating thing is that it is so easy to do, i.e. so easy to issue coordinated data from all dimensions.

  10. Our models respect standard UK LOD definitions.  They are never detailed enough to generate detail (because they are max. LOD3 or LOD4, and modelled to deliver 1:50 GAs only) and in any case I have never seen a detail extracted from a model that I would have been proud to have drawn in 2D myself (other than those derived from a model built in rhino and sectioned in vectorworks, but even then it was max. 1:20).

     

    So all our details are drawn in 2D, just as they are in other BIM authoring tools, using the model as the coordinating 'general arrangement' underlay.

  11. On 1/8/2024 at 2:25 AM, Pat Stanford said:

    Would encapsulating the Viewport inside an object that won't move be helpful? Or do you actually need to access the Section Viewport to edit Annotations and Crop?

    The Section VP is on a design layer.  The properties are very different on a standard viewport, i.e. one taken from a plan in top/plan view.  Why?

  12. 21 hours ago, line-weight said:

     

    What do you use section viewports for, on design layers? What are they placed relative to, and why?

     

    Where do you draw details?

     

    Are your details coordinated with your model or anyone's model in modelspace?  Would you be able to issue a DWG of a detail and know that it is coordinated with your consultants model...  Would you be able to reference your detail back to your model or plan or section to inform the model/plan/section?

     

    Hint... If you draw detail in the sheet layer viewport, you cannot answer yes to any of the above.

  13. Would anyone find it useful to have a button to lock the position of section viewports when placed on a design layer?

     

    Why don't section viewports have the same X, Y and Z values that normal viewports have on design layers?

     

    It is impossible to know if one has moved, which is critical if you want to ensure your details are coordinated with the model.

  14. can you draw what you are expecting it to do?

     

    my advice would be to not expect too much, and limit the number of components in each object.

     

    slabs are best not containing too many components and splitting them into structural and finishes components.

     

    ultimately you may find it is impossible to maintain the relationship between wall and slab anyway unless the building is very simple.

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