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Gerard Jonker

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  1. Hi Gideon, Thank you for the warning. Anybody care to continue the discussion on a more gentle tone and see if we can get to some dept before start calling each other names? The trap Petri seems to be falling into (in the humblest of my opinions, of course) is that of many computer "literates". (Please don't think I am not aware of his skills and insights.) They focus too much on creating a model (2D/3D, an information model) of reality in their computer, the need to describe everything. From that point on they want to share that information with other parties. Is it not too much a need for control or too much fear things will go wrong if we delegate some responsibilities? But the computer never holds everything, no matter how you try. The computer is not the source of the information, the idea ripens and gets shaped inside your brain. Sometimes you need visual clues, sketches, you are at that point communicating with your self. Only after the point the idea has matured you start to look for media to communicate that idea. Up to now VectorWorks has proven quite a good tool for communicating, even at sketch level, but we couldn't do all the communication with Vectorworks, sometimes we had to fall back to pencil and paper, fax, spreadsheet- and database programs and don't forget the telephone. Now BIM is around the corner, it is not the first attempt to: a: increase the communication abilities of a CAD program b: channel more information through the CAD program. I can only be very enthusiast about a, but b worries me a bit: Who is going to feed that stuff into the computer? Is it necessary to put it there, i.o.w: will it come out again? Is a CAD program the best way to communicate that data? The idea is that when you click on an object, some text pops up, displaying all nicessities (the first i is not a typo) about that object. Now, if we return to the example of the engineer. What would be the minimal information we need to send him/her? What if we send the engineer a 3D model of the whole building. That would probably enough, unfortunately the engineer has to start looking to what information is his/hers. If we assign some classes (a standard would be nice) the engineer can extract the construction from the rest of the building, while that the rest of the model immediately gives some idea about use and therefor about loads. (If you are working on an exceptionally small building with an exceptionally heavy floor load you probably already talked about that when had the engineer on the phone.) Now I can add information to the constructional elements: "This is a concrete column, or this is a steel column" But that is something the engineer can see from the shape of the object. The next phase is the engineer has made the necessary calculations and sends the model back, the concrete column is still a concrete column, a suggestion is made about different size or materialization, either drawn or not, depending on your contact with the engineer. When i click on the column now I can see how much steel goes into the column, this is great. I pick up my MacBook and walk to the site. There I see the column, concrete ready to be poured. -Hey, wait up! There is not enough steel there, my model say 10 rods, and you are putting in only 8! -Yes, we ran clean out of ? 10, but we have plenty of ? 12. -Ai, Ai, 8*12 is not the same as 10*10! -Agreed, but is falls right in the margins. We phoned the engineer about this, this morning and he faxed a signed approval, I think by tomorrow your model will be updated by his staff, they are changing their models as we speak. Yes, I can see BIM would work, Yes, I can see it would be great if the information was there. But the weakest is link is often forgotten. As long as blueprints are used on site, those drawings have to be made, the drafts persons are the weakest link. They have to put in all data, also data that doesn't immediately appear on drawing, and that is where they will cut corners to get the drawing finished in time. That is how it is how things are going right now and I see no reason why a BIM format would prevent that. People in Holland hardly used classes in MiniCAD. They didn't need it for their own drawings, relying on an object oriented structure of groups and symbols. Only after Classes could also assign colours and hatches they started to use them. I have yet to see a similar bate, to lure people in preparing good BIM models. Just my 2 rather lengthy cts, I'll try to be briefer next time, Gerard
  2. I really wonder how much more information you might need to add to a column or slab (in whatever format) so your engineer might finally understand what you mean? Give the (wo)man some credit. The decisions are made on the top. (do I get that contract or not.) Whether or not the format gets to be used to its optimal capabilities is determined further down the line, because people are people. What rests is, at the very end, the agreed CD with the complete model the client demanded. What I fear is that the whole BIM idea will turn out to be nothing more than an improved Drawing Exchange Format, a lot of extra bells and whistles, none of which making the exact sound you wish, and a lot of extra work on the plate of the architect. Ignorantly yours, (or should I write "Ignored-ly") Gerard P.S. This eardrum ripping silence may, of course, also be caused by something other than the (possible lack of) IFC capabilities of VS.
  3. I happen to know what it means, I also think we will be forced by the bigger clients to work BIM compliant. That, when we hand them the key to their new building with the CD (DVD?) containing the BIM, they will shelf the CD and use a simple PC with and excel spreadsheet to manage the maintenance and use of the building, will be not a topic of discussion at the moment we get the contract. On the architects side lies a more serious problem. The problem in the average architects firm is still the devision of responsibilities. The drafts person, responsible for finishing a certain sheet of paper on a certain date will care less about the actual content of the file as his deadline comes closer. Then when the piece of paper is on its way to client or contractor he might be persuaded to check his model. After that the person in charge of pricing etc. gets the file, makes a few attempts to retrieve data electronically, gives up and starts counting by hand. Not quite the way it should be, but unfortunately still practice. We still have a few years to prepare ourselves, before BIM takes over. What you describe as "toying" with (3D-) models may be very important to the individual client. The 2D/3D models you are "working" with contain a lot of information, which is a lot of work to set up and, more importantly, to keep accurate over the year(s) the average project lasts. A lot of work we are only prepared to do when that data is actually going to be used. The data is only going to be used if there is a guarantee about its accuracy. People are still waving those responsibilities, and that is problem we (here in Holland anyway) are facing in the years to come. So BIM or no BIM, the answer is in the attitude and not in a certain format. 15 years ago, my partners in the firm back then, had set up a beautiful system that created complete tables with everything to order for a building, the system was accurate and fast and allowed for very sharp pricing of buildings. It was done in MiniCAD 4.x!!!! Regards, Gerard
  4. Hi Petri, What about BIM? Do you expect any solution from that xth attempt to retrieve information from the CAD "models"? Just trying a new plank, Gerard
  5. Hi Petri, Why wouldn't they be? As long as you assign IFC classes, they are. After all, what gets exported is the drawn object and not the code. Missing the plank entirely? Gerard
  6. Hi Katie, Yes, I have tried that first. I'm thinking about have them reinstalling XP. The People that sold my client the cpu installed XP from another HD (copied?). Maybe a clean install from CD/DVD might do it? It is really my last resort, apart from swapping memory banks. As they will be reinstalling, would you recommend XP or Vista? Has VW been tested on 8 core PC's running either XP or Vista (Vista in which flavour)? Is VW compatible with 64 bit OS? Any push in the most success prone direction would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Gerard
  7. Hi Katie, Removing the VW preferences in the registry didn't help. Which was more or less to be expected, VW has never run on this machine. But I didn't realize that. Is VW compatible with XP 64 bit? Is VW compatible with a 8 core Intel machine? I received the dialogs: AppName vectorworks.exe AppVer ModName: quicktime.qts ModVer: Offset:00074275 Exception Information Code 0x0000000000000000 Address: 0x0000000066874275 System information Windows NT 5.2 Build: 3790 CPU Vendor Code: 756E6547 - 49656E69 - 6C65746E CPU Version: 000006F7CPU Feature Code: BFEBFBFF CPU AMD Feature Code: 0216E828 Module 1 VectorWorks.exe Image Base: 0x00400000 Image Size: 0x00000000 Checksum: 0x00000000 Time Stamp: 0x4654d3lb Version Information Any solution would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Gerard
  8. Hi G, That is not what I meant with fluid. A model like this would be done much quicker (for me at least) in VW than in C4D. Even though special attention is needed to get a nice transition between straight and bend. BTW, I love the light and the reflections in your image. Models like these are more what I had in mind: http://www.thepander.co.nz/art/reviews/cbarker/200404_2.jpg http://artis.imag.fr/Publications/2002/SCA02/b_blobPiscine1.png Both are not mine. Gerard
  9. Hi David, No, apart from subtracting objects, I don't use it for modelling at all. (You can animate the subtractions, really great!) I have a few VW scripts from my own hand that help me with round and double curved surfaces, all polygon based. The lack of control over the exact measurements in C4D (and VW nurbs, for that matter), always makes me go back to simple 3D polygon editing. Gerard
  10. One of my clients has a similar problem. Windows XP 64 bit on an 8 core machine. Reinstalled VW from DVD. 12.5.0 and 12.5.2 both exit without actually opening. Then windows comes with a standard message about the possibility some data was lost. Quicktime removed and an older version installed 7.1.3 and 7.0 no solutions there. Please help! Gerard
  11. Hi katie, I would like to this "double click to fillet all corners" also work for the chamfer tool! I'm aware of teh riscs involved, so maybe only if the settings are symmetrical? Gerard
  12. Hi Lulu and others, I made a little command that does exactly this, you can use it from a scriptpalette, but you can also make a menu command, paste the code you find below and place this command in your workspace. make sure to also assign it the P for the keyshortcut and place the standard Print command in some obscure menu so you won't accidentally use that. You may not leave it out of the workspace, as my command will search for it there. (I have a '~' command for this very purpose) To use it, you place some textblocks in your drawing and assign them these classes: 'P-PRINTDATUM' and 'P-PRINTTIME' (without quotes). Then double click the script, or choose your Menucommand from the menu and ready you are. You may want to delete the three lines that have to do with printing "Black and White only". When you use this command, it looks like the text is inserted after the print command, but it is actually inserted before and will be used in the print. For inserting Filename and Path please check out this site: http://www.orangedust.co.uk/filepath.html Have fun with it, Gerard jonker -----------copy below this line-------------- procedure afdrukken; {****************************} {* Copyrights Jonker en Wu *} {* ir G.D.Jonker *} {****************************} var whatclas,tekst:string; aanuit:boolean; function Fplacedate(hd:handle):boolean; begin if gettype(HD) = 10 then {= text} begin whatclas:=getclass(HD); if (whatclas ='P-PRINTDATUM') then begin tekst := Date(0,0); if tekst = '' then tekst := ' '; {Not to throw away the text block, insert some spaces} settext(hd,tekst); end; if whatclas = 'P-PRINTTIME' then begin tekst := Date(2,2); if tekst = '' then tekst := ' '; {Not to throw away the text block, insert some spaces} settext(hd,tekst); end; end; End; {Fplacedate} begin{afdrukken} aanuit := Getpref(10); {register how you found B&W} setpref(10,true); {turn on B&W} ForEachObjectInLayer (Fplacedate,0,2,2) ; Redrawall; Domenutextbyname('Print',0); setpref(10,aanuit); {Reset to found B&W state} end; {afdrukken} run(afdrukken);
  13. Hi Carpalmer, I'm using C4D for quite a while now, I started in R7 and just upgraded to R10. I'm very pleased with quality and speed, less with the interface. Coming from VW it (still) feels quite unnatural. I like C4D's ability to do with textures what I want, instead of constantly running into the RW limitations and RW's awkward mapping dialog. C4D is great for making movies. The import export plugins for VW run fine, I think you need to have them, although in bigger projects I never dare to use the update ability (this may very well be my problem, I'll ask my shrink). I like the plugin's import format over the dxf import. You may want to check out the odd combination of sketch-up and Maxwell I hear very good things about it and I see stunning results. Unfortunately there is no Maxwell plug-in for VW/RW. The speed is not so much a problem anymore if you have an Intell running somewhere in your office. Success, Gerard
  14. Hi Christiaan, For a more elaborate answer please look at: http://vcor.net/wiki/index.php/Absolute_Origin An exellent article about the subject, if I may say so myself. :-) Despite the above sentence, all modesty disclaimers apply, Gerard
  15. Hi Ian, If you don't like Data Stamp, I got another one that also displays the file path. Please visit: http://www.orangedust.co.uk/filepath.html to check it out. Gerard Jonker post@jonker-wu.nl
  16. Then use Reshaper http://www.siriussolutions.biz to edit it. By default it will assume a Rotated Rectangle, but you can switch to Regular Polygon or Polygon mode. Gerard Jonker Did you know there are still people out there not using Reshaper, unbelievable isn't it?
  17. Then use Reshaper http://www.siriussolutions.biz to edit it. By default it will assume a Rotated Rectangle, but you can switch to Regular Polygon or Polygon mode. Gerard Jonker Did you know there are still people out there not using Reshaper, unbelievable isn't it?
  18. Hi Petri, I'm sorry to see you go. So long, and thanks for all the fish. and fish there was. Usually hidden under a pile of snears, but the fish was there. For many people the "tone' of the mails was reason to dismiss you, easier than having a critical eye on themselves. Something they should reflect upon. But you are the wiser in this, you know how people will react, and therefore you are partially to blame, too. As we speak NNA is beginning to carefully look outside the borders of the USA. unfortunately they still see a bunch of wildies running around in bear skins, waving our wooden clubs. Hence the dongle on their products. But they are developping an interest to our needs and I think, as international sales are steadily growing, a development in VW that will suit needs better and better. You have to admit that the latest developments in Sheetlayers and ViewPorts are a major enhancement we all provit from. the program has made some real progress since I first touched it (MC 2, back in the early 90's) This is it then? So long for now and I hope we meet again. Sincerely yours, Gerard Jonker
  19. What if you draw your design based on 1 size and then: 1 export as VS 2 open in an editor 3 look for the dimesnions to change for parameters 4 put it all in a script behind a dialog that asks for W and L size. Just do one pand-pattern at the time, should be doable. Gerard P.S. Please make trouser bands high again, I hate those backside cleavages I see around me all the time.
  20. Hi Fred, Never heard of a person called "Not Fred" You can assign the Esc key to a second entry of the selection tool (so both the Esc and the X activate the selection tool. If you are on windows you have to ask some with a Mac (like me?) to do it for you. It has taken me years to get used to the esc key, but ex AC people love me adding that to their WS. Hi Raymond, Good for you to plug your Plug-in. I love it and other people should, also, get a chance to see and use that fantastic piece of software. Keep 'm coming! Gerard.
  21. Basically you can do this by selecting the objects at hand and then resize one object with the selection tool. You have some control over the process by using the databar. The downside is the objects relative positions are scaled as well. This can be overcome using the command "Scale Individually", but you don't have that as I wrote it myself. Interested? drop me a line: gj@jonker-wu.nl, and I'll send you a copy. Gerard
  22. Are there not in your workspace yet? Standard Vectorworks ships with some plugin objects. -Open your Workspace editor, (tool menu or File menu) -Edit the current -Klick in the next window on the top centre button. (Tools) -Drag a new palette from top left to right. -Open "All Tools" by klicking the triangle and scroll down to Door, Simple Door, Simple Window -Drag the tools (in this case PIO's) from left to right in your palette. -Save the WorkSpace. Have fun, Gerard
  23. Hi Petri, I think you really should take a look at siriussolution.biz and get your self an evauation copy of Reshaper. I have sofar read three posts (see also the edit extrudes posts) from your hand bringing me to the conclusion you haven't seen it yet. I'm using Reshaper all the time since Mr. Mullin introduced it for version 11. The number of objects it handles is steadily growing. So there is less and less need to use the, in my eyes, somewhat crippled Object Info Palette. I still have the OIP open, but I use as often as I can (about 90% of the time) Reshaper for editing. Try it, you will like it, or, I'm sure of that, at least recognize and appreciate the enormous amount of skillful work behind it. Have fun, Gerard
  24. Oh, I forogt to say a few things: I agree with Petri, try to work things out with a local reseller first. They can help you with typical local things. Not necesarily buy a translated version, although they have a lot of true localized stuff, most people hardly use that, instead they build their own libraries. You can always trade-up to a localized version later. Some larger offices prefer to deal directly with the distributor, this is a mistake, most times you are better of with a local reseller. As for buying from the US: you will, in the end, forget about the initial price and local support is great to have. Gerard


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